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biged
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 Posted - 01/30/2011 : 10:10:25
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One thing I have always hated about stats is how speedy players often get the shaft. For example: A fast runner hits a ball to the right side of the diamond. It is fielded cleanly however, due to the speed of the runner the throw is rushed and thus errant. In many cases if the throw had been on line, the runner would have been safe regardless. Also, the scorebook does not reflect that the poor throw was due to being rushed. This is why I also look at ob percentage.
I was talking to a young harris coach and one thing they do/did was have a Quality At Bat Stat. The way this works is if a player had a good at bat but got out they still came away with a positive feeling. It works like this, If a player hits the ball hard and gets out it is considered a QAB. If a player gets a hit it is a QAB, RBI, Sac,walk, and hbp are all considered QAB. Often the players with the higher BA also had the higher QAB. Just another way to evaluate. |
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biged
198 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 13:52:12
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| I meant left side of the diamond, but actually, anywehre. |
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AllStar
762 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 19:24:51
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Originally posted by biged
It is fielded cleanly however, due to the speed of the runner the throw is rushed and thus errant. In many cases if the throw had been on line, the runner would have been safe regardless. Also, the scorebook does not reflect that the poor throw was due to being rushed. This is why I also look at ob percentage.
Errors don't count as On-base in OBP. If you have one at bat and you get on base due to an error your OBP is .000. |
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Scorekeeper
35 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 20:15:33
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"In many cases if the throw had been on line, the runner would have been safe regardless."
That would be a hit, per mlb scoring. |
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biged
198 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2011 : 14:54:35
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| #$%^*^%$#* now I have to back and change 10 yrs of stats. Did not know that errors did not count as on base. |
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 16:52:56
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| Biged, you are not alone. I would bet many people don't even realize it, because it seems non-intuitive to me. A couple of years ago, I even checked the formula Teamsnap was using, because I thought it was wrong. |
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11UFAN
149 Posts |
Posted - 02/01/2011 : 07:55:43
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at 10U and under, I think it makes sense to give a kid OBP credit on any close play as described by biged.
It never ceases to amaze me how many times I see a hit scored in MLB on a "judgement call". No need to be so militant in youth baseball, consistency is the key to good scorekeeping.
If your scorekeeper consistently scores all kids the same in similar situations you have a "good" scorekeeper. |
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CharlieHustle
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 10:43:44
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I keep the book for our team and we use a stat called "OBE", which is on base % with errors. This stat is calculated just like "OBP" with the addition of ROE (reached on error) in the numerator. This stat removes the scorekeepers judgement from the equation. This stat is very useful because it is simply the percentage of the time that a player reaches base. No one can argue with this one.
Batting average is obviously highly dependent on the scorekeeper. One teams .400 average might be .500 or .300 with a different scorekeeper. Comparing averages on a given team is meaningful, but comparing averages with other teams averages is meaningless, unless the scorekeeper is the same. |
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sportsfamily
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Posted - 02/08/2011 : 21:45:26
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| Stats are only good if they are kept correctly....Last year half way through the season I noticed that my son's were not what I remember and starting keeping myself. When you have a coach (a/k/a dad) keeping the book, he wants his son to shine a little brighter.....understand what I am saying? Also, when the boys start comparing themselves to others it can playing with their development. |
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Publish Statistics?
