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crackedbats
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 Posted - 12/17/2009 : 18:40:20
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Interesting to see how this will pan out. Of the teams that were moved down to AAA for 2010-Panther, Braves, Longhorns all improved their rosters considerably. Another EC team-the Chargers (Phillies) are reclassed as AA at this time. Obv these teams will have to file an appeal to move back up to major
13 14AAA Hobgood Heat 733 265 5-8 5-8
14 14AAA Georgia Panthers 722 310 5-10 3-6
15 14AAA Webb Bridge Bulldogs 696 200 3-7 3-7
16 14AAA East Cobb Braves 687 340 10-5 1-2 .
17 14AAA Forsyth Outlaws 624 110 2-5 2-5
18 14AAA Kennesaw Mustangs 617 530 7-11 5-11
19 14AAA East Cobb Longhorns 604 275 4-12 4-12
20 14AAA Powder Springs Seminoles 566 370 7-8 2-8
21 14AAA Roswell Hornets 479 60 2-5 2-5 .286
22 14AAA SW Express Baseball 204 90 0-6 0-6
23 14AAA Georgia Crush 166 550 7-14 0-5
24 14AAA Sharon Springs Spartans 152 305 7-6 0-4
25 14AAA West Cobb Dawgs 98 250 3-3 0-2
26 14AAA North Georgia Tigers 0 0 0-0 0-0
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jska
36 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 09:36:36
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| Where does this information come from? I thought teams self declared the level at which they wanted to play |
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Leftypitcher
26 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 09:55:17
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| Odd, the GAUSSSAbaseball website does not have the same listing as shown in the first post of this thread. Perhaps changes have already begun due to appeals and such. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 10:00:53
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Why do they need to file an appeal to move back to major? They can always play in Major tournaments and if they prove they are major, but winning major tournaments, during the first part of the season, they will be re-classified anyway.
It would be different if it went the other way. AAA teams would need to appeal their move to Major, so they could play AAA but you can always play up.
Not speaking in reference to ANY team on the list, but one of my biggest complaints for years is USSSA did not do a good job of cleaning up teams that needed to move down.
If a team has a <.500 year the previous year, they should be moved down. If they change personnel and start dominating early in the season, move them back up.
It looks like USSSA is trying to do that. I applaude them for it.
JSKA,
New teams declare what level they want to start at, but USSSA evaluates the teams and their classification to keep them logically assigned. A re-classification effort always happens this time of year. Most of the time, though, it is moving teams up in classification. |
Edited by - Alter-Ego on 12/18/2009 13:27:57 |
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ChinMusic
126 Posts |
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bigfan
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LLH
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Storm Baseball
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 14:29:32
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No one mentioned the teams that were moved down to AA from AAA:
Mill Creek Hawks
Rockdale Rhinos
North Gwinnett Bulldogs
GA Indians
Hobgood Storm
PTB Homeplate Chilidogs
Hobgood Hurricanes (aren't the Team Wilson now?)
Rattlers Baseball
Midway Heat
East Cobb Chargers
Sandy Plains Wildcats
Milton Mustangs
It looks like USSSA is really trying to have a 4 tier ranking system.
(Taken from the USSSA Website:)
Under the new four (4) classification system, the Majors now consist of the top
10% of teams in the state; these are the teams that should be pursuing the Elite 32 World Series. The AAA classification consists of the next 30% of teams in the state and the AA classification encompasses the following 30%. The remaining 30% of teams make up the new A classification. These percentages are only a “Rule of
Thumb” and could vary as much as +/- 10% per age division and / or classification. |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 15:50:48
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Alter,
I think the appeal is just a simple request, that way if say a AAA wants to play Major it makes it easier to play up when they register on line etc. They will automatically go the the division they are classified at, thus they dont have to call and request to play up they can also avoid playing AAA to begin in order to get moved up. Playing up and being classified major are different. (of course i know that you know this anyway)
There are probably a handfull of teams that do not even exist this year listed and several who are almost a complete new roster.
Some who also have gone to feeder teams and quite a few who are not even listed yet but will do so in the upcoming months.
I too applaud usssa for even trying to make legit divisions |
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baseballnation
25 Posts |
Posted - 12/18/2009 : 17:04:38
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| Who cares? This only has meaning if you're hung up on USSSA classification and rankings. At this age, it's time to play ball and leave the worrying about USSSA rankings to folks with nothing else to do. This is about as meaningful as debating preseason NCAA football rankings. |
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Alter-Ego
802 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 21:12:03
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Whit,
You bring up a good point that I knew but had not thought about. Really the only benefit to appealing to get moved back up is the seeding in tournaments. AAA's get seeded at the bottom of the list regardless of how many points they have.
As baseballnation mention, this only pertains to USSSA. |
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mikewells
45 Posts |
Posted - 12/19/2009 : 22:23:42
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Originally posted by baseballnation
Who cares? This only has meaning if you're hung up on USSSA classification and rankings. At this age, it's time to play ball and leave the worrying about USSSA rankings to folks with nothing else to do. This is about as meaningful as debating preseason NCAA football rankings.
Yea who cares when USSSA is losing attendance at tournaments and on weekends that other organizations are active.
Then no one likes to be demoted either ya know plus with east cobb baseball now its only a couple of there 14yo teams rated major and a couple r at AA so if don't like it all's need done is to play up and win the majority of games its simple. |
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baseballnation
25 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2009 : 08:35:49
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| It's interesting that the organizations who want to rank teams run the worst tournaments. Both USSSA and USTBA are disorganized and in a large tournament with some weather issues, they can seem like downright amateurs. Triple Crown is awfully expensive, but they run a great tournament -- very organized, easy to reach directors, and the scores are provided online within an hour or two of games ending. The others just can't do that. |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2009 : 11:46:55
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Yea but they should not be seeded together in tournaments anyway but you are correct as your AAA points dont carry over into tournaments that are Major.
Whether people want to admit it or not when going to big NIT USSSA tournaments seeding can become very important in setting yourself up to make a run, especially if your an average team and need to limit when you can throw your top pitchers. Not all teams have to worry about for some it helps |
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2009 : 14:38:11
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Nation
Other than triple crown who do you like? Maybe i am old school but i still think USSSA due to beign a national program works for me as wherever you go you know the rules,rankings etc. Their web sites are the best as well as easiset to use as far as adding and dropping players and searching for info on oppenents.
Triple Crown does not always run good National Tournaments, local maybe but not everywhere. And the price is way to high. As is any tournament at east cobb.
I agree USTBA locally is not good but is good other places i have played.
Nations is a niche that has not done well other places but the director here is saying the right things. They want to capitalize want he insurance business as well.
TOP GUN is not here yet but is similar to CABA and USTBA |
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billbclk
164 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2009 : 11:19:48
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This all goes back to my point that you should play tournaments for the games not the points.
However, in larger USSSA Open tournaments it does matter how and where you are ranked. When Pools are made they will divide teams into groups (major, AAA, AA and now A) to even out each pool. If you fancy yourself to be AAA but was dropped to AA you will now be near the bottom of the pool facing a Major team instead of being in the middle playing similar teams.
It will be interesting to see how it works out. As with most things it probably will be much to do about nothing.
BTW, my AAA 14U team played one USSSA tournament last season (going 0-3) we probably would have been knocked down and I’m sure I would not have cared.
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mammabee
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Posted - 12/21/2009 : 12:14:21
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hello wells , that is the way it always is for ec baseball in ealry teens you have the astros plus another for majors
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Originally posted by mikewells
plus with east cobb baseball now its only a couple of there 14yo teams rated major and a couple r at AA .
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whits23
596 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2009 : 14:56:21
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| No offense but if i was a AA team i would enter AA/AAA tournaments and not open tournaments and if i was major i would enter Major tournaments or at least open ones with a good bit of major teams in it. Tournaments are too expensive to get stuck with 4 inning run rule games |
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wildcats9596
110 Posts |
Posted - 12/21/2009 : 20:48:02
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We only played 1 USSSA tournament last year. I had to look it up, because we played it because of where it was, not because it was USSSA.
If any end up on our radar, we'll check the field, not the classification. Half the teams listed are either gone or have had so much roster turnover last year's results are completely irrelevant. |
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2009 : 16:48:16
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people always take shots at the big dogs So if an organization is getting lots of run it must be because there are very relevant still.
I can think of lots of organizations that dont even get mentioned. |
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mammabee
95 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2009 : 10:30:00
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hello mr teddy I hope you dont mean me about takin shots im one of those people who call itlike it is let them chips fall wherever and its OK because I tell the truth
happy holidays to all here
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Originally posted by teddy41
people always take shots at the big dogs So if an organization is getting lots of run it must be because there are very relevant still.
I can think of lots of organizations that dont even get mentioned.
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teddy41
421 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2009 : 18:11:42
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| Nope MR BEE i was meaning a lot of people complain about usssa which means they are still relevant and doing a lot of business. |
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mammabee
95 Posts |
Posted - 12/26/2009 : 23:42:42
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MR Bee ? howbout MS Bee please 
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Originally posted by teddy41
Nope MR BEE i was meaning a lot of people complain about usssa which means they are still relevant and doing a lot of business.
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JCB
88 Posts |
Posted - 12/27/2009 : 12:18:59
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Mammabee -
Part of what comes with anonymity is gender free commenting. We are all just nameless genderless bloggers (at least some of you). |
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coachdan06
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Posted - 12/28/2009 : 06:51:34
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Originally posted by JCB
Mammabee -
Part of what comes with anonymity is gender free commenting. We are all just nameless genderless bloggers (at least some of you).
Fine call JCB
Genderless huh, that reminds me of a weird movie I saw on TV
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