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jalex
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 Posted - 09/18/2012 : 07:41:12
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| I think that perfect game number are juiced up. I saw the same pitcher at team usa tryout and he topped out at 81, he was not throwing in the mid 80s. |
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KoopsDad
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Posted - 09/18/2012 : 09:00:50
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Originally posted by jalex
I think that perfect game number are juiced up. I saw the same pitcher at team usa tryout and he topped out at 81, he was not throwing in the mid 80s.
PG numbers were not juiced up from what we saw that week in Ft Myers as their gun was consistent with what we have recorded with our guys on our gun all season. Pitchers are up and down based on many factors. A. Chapman for the Reds has thrown 105 but he dont every time he takes the hill. Most of the time, 97-99. Kid mentioned here was amped up in this particular game and legit hit 85. Remember, this was top velocity recorded. Not where he was living. We had him hitting 83-84 consistently all season and knew there were a few pitches here and there with a little more. If you look at PG, you will see at other events around the same period he was recorded low 80s. Rest, weather, adrenaline, many things all play a part in how a kid may throw on a given day. My point is I believe PG is generally accurate based on our experience and this kid definitely is mid 80s when he has his best stuff. |
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bballman
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Posted - 09/18/2012 : 10:18:23
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Originally posted by KoopsDad
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Originally posted by jalex
I think that perfect game number are juiced up. I saw the same pitcher at team usa tryout and he topped out at 81, he was not throwing in the mid 80s.
PG numbers were not juiced up from what we saw that week in Ft Myers as their gun was consistent with what we have recorded with our guys on our gun all season. Pitchers are up and down based on many factors. A. Chapman for the Reds has thrown 105 but he dont every time he takes the hill. Most of the time, 97-99. Kid mentioned here was amped up in this particular game and legit hit 85. Remember, this was top velocity recorded. Not where he was living. We had him hitting 83-84 consistently all season and knew there were a few pitches here and there with a little more. If you look at PG, you will see at other events around the same period he was recorded low 80s. Rest, weather, adrenaline, many things all play a part in how a kid may throw on a given day. My point is I believe PG is generally accurate based on our experience and this kid definitely is mid 80s when he has his best stuff.
Exactly what I was saying, except I don't know this particular kid. PGs entire reputation depends on them being accurate and honest. If they are not, they will not be in business. Like I said, I have cross checked velocities with probably over 100 different outings over the last 5 years with PG. I have NEVER seen a velocity recorded that was higher than what they actually threw in a tournament or showcase. AND the PG guns read the same as the scout guns that were there. No conspiracy to be found. Sorry Jalex. |
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bball1311
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Posted - 09/21/2012 : 21:00:22
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| Perfect Game has the 2015 rankings out. Of the top 6, they all throw 89 and up. I know a 14u who should be 2016 but is ahead and school so he is a 2015. He can throw 85, according to a Stalker. |
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Dr. Old School
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Posted - 10/04/2012 : 22:11:00
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| Just so everyone keeps things in perspective, when PG reports "Topped out at..." that is a pitch that most of the time did not go anywhere near the strike zone. I used to tell my pitchers they needed to make sure to throw one pitch full effort regardless of whether it hit the backstop or not because that would be logged as their "topped out speed". If you really want to see a pitchers velocity, look at their "range" which can be seen with one of the paid accounts. If a pitcher topped out at 86, but his normal range is 81-83, then he is an 81-83 pitcher, not an 86 mph pitcher. |
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bball1311
20 Posts |
Posted - 10/06/2012 : 16:58:19
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| True, but some pitchers can maintain their maximum velocity. The 14u kid is consistently 82-84, but later on in games can drop as low as 79. |
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mbdale
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Posted - 10/09/2012 : 22:19:53
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Totally agree with this - one post here says the fastest they have seen at 14U is low 90's. Put down the crack pipe - there aren't any 14U players throwing upper 80's, much less lower 90's.
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Originally posted by bkball
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Originally posted by sports_junkie
You never know with the gun used or weather conditions, etc but the "fastest in state" at 14U will probably be in mid to upper 80s range this year maybe even hitting 90 under ideal conditions. Several players will be in mid 80s.
upper 80's? at 14... I won't believe it. That means 86 and up, unless he is already 15 and over 200 pounds. There aren't many high school pitchers throwing upper 80's and you are talking about 14 year olds. Would love to hear about it though and would go watch this kid pitch if he does. Someone should keep us updated on who you see and what radar is being used with weather conditions.
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bballman
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Posted - 10/12/2012 : 15:18:57
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Here is a link to the Perfect Game page that lists the top velocities from all their tournaments over this last summer. They list the top velocities for the classes of 2013, 2014,2015 and 2016.
http://perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=7668
Of note, there was one kid in the country in the class of 2016 that threw over 90 this summer. Only 6 kids in the country who threw 86+. Only one kid on the 2016 list is from Georgia (87mph).
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