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mlbscout
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 Posted - 08/08/2011 : 16:00:55
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I agree with you that Little League is antiquated and needs to modify its rules (longer distance to the mound and bases, leading off, longer fences etc). It also needs to eliminate the mandatory play rule. However, we all must realize that it is a business and it appears to be doing extremely well as is.
I don't see where it would take a lot of effort and money to make it to Williamsport. Little League pays most of the expenses for the kids and coaches. Its much more expensive for a team from California to travel to Disney for AAU and USSSA tournaments.
There have been many players at the Little League World Series who have made it to the major leagues: the two most recent ones are Todd Frzier from the Cincinnati reds and Ruben Tejada from the NY Mets. There are many in the minor leagues because those who played 10 years ago are approximatley 22 at present.
Just remember, Little League Baseball is a multi-million dollar business. So is USSSA, Babe Ruth, AAU, Dixie, Super Series, AABC, Triple Crown, and Pony (to name a few). The only difference is that Little League was the first one and has been marketed very well.
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Originally posted by in_the_know
What would be the point? Frankly, who would care? Playing the distances at 12u for LL does nothing to REALLY prepare these kids for high school in the area. Sure, this could be done, but it's alot of effort and money to win a trophy playing at 10u distances, with no lead-off/pick-off. Seems a bit silly just to get on TV.
I'm much happier with my son playing on the larger field, against more elite talent and pushing himself to be a stronger, better player which is what is needed just to make your HS team in these parts. Other than Danny Almonte, anyone remember any names from any of the LLWS teams from the past 10 years? And his is not remembered in any way we'd want our boys known.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
With all of the elite talent that we have in the Atlanta, East Cobb area why can we not put together a team that should be dominant in the Little League format. What rule does Little League have that keeps this team from happening.
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in_the_know
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Posted - 08/08/2011 : 17:25:40
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Don't mistake my comments to mean that I question the value or validity of LL or their WS. What I question is the desire for those of us in the travel ball world to feel compelled to want to put together some team (meeting all the residency rules, etc), to try and get to a tournament that by all other considerations would be considered sub-par competition to what we face on a regular basis week in and week out here in the southeast, and to do it playing on a mini dimensions. And to your point regarding expense, yes, LL pays for the players to get to Williamsport, but not all the sub-qualifiers along the way. Watch those regionals and you'll see teams from Washington playing in California and teams fro all over the south having to trek to south Florida and beyond. Much like some of the expensive trips we already have to make for travel ball.
LL is a great (although antiquated) organization and produces many great players. I never proposed otherwise.
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Originally posted by mlbscout
I agree with you that Little League is antiquated and needs to modify its rules (longer distance to the mound and bases, leading off, longer fences etc). It also needs to eliminate the mandatory play rule. However, we all must realize that it is a business and it appears to be doing extremely well as is.
I don't see where it would take a lot of effort and money to make it to Williamsport. Little League pays most of the expenses for the kids and coaches. Its much more expensive for a team from California to travel to Disney for AAU and USSSA tournaments.
There have been many players at the Little League World Series who have made it to the major leagues: the two most recent ones are Todd Frzier from the Cincinnati reds and Ruben Tejada from the NY Mets. There are many in the minor leagues because those who played 10 years ago are approximatley 22 at present.
Just remember, Little League Baseball is a multi-million dollar business. So is USSSA, Babe Ruth, AAU, Dixie, Super Series, AABC, Triple Crown, and Pony (to name a few). The only difference is that Little League was the first one and has been marketed very well.
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Originally posted by in_the_know
What would be the point? Frankly, who would care? Playing the distances at 12u for LL does nothing to REALLY prepare these kids for high school in the area. Sure, this could be done, but it's alot of effort and money to win a trophy playing at 10u distances, with no lead-off/pick-off. Seems a bit silly just to get on TV.
I'm much happier with my son playing on the larger field, against more elite talent and pushing himself to be a stronger, better player which is what is needed just to make your HS team in these parts. Other than Danny Almonte, anyone remember any names from any of the LLWS teams from the past 10 years? And his is not remembered in any way we'd want our boys known.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
With all of the elite talent that we have in the Atlanta, East Cobb area why can we not put together a team that should be dominant in the Little League format. What rule does Little League have that keeps this team from happening.
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2011 : 22:32:05
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| We play travel ball and love it. And although we may think our baseball is better and little League may be antiquated; the memory of playing in the Little League World Series in Williamsport, PA can not be matched in any travel tourney, cooperstown trip, elite world series, super nit, etc. Ask Chris Drury (NHL Hockey), Gary Sheffield to name a few - who still state their greatest sport experience was playing in Williamsport in the Little League World Series. |
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DBL PLAY
34 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2011 : 23:44:25
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| I think playing for Team USA might top LL but heck I never did neither so I couldn't be sure. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2011 : 08:45:03
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| In last nights Georgia-N.Carolina game, 24 boys struck out! This supports my claim that 1/3rd of the boys have no chance to hit a 70+mph ball from 46 feet. |
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mlbscout
77 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2011 : 11:14:31
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One player had the experience of playing in the Little League World Series, College World Series, and MLB World Series (Jason Varitek). What can top this? Winning each one them. That has never been done!
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Originally posted by DBL PLAY
I think playing for Team USA might top LL but heck I never did neither so I couldn't be sure.
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kmoody
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 09:19:52
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Originally posted by in_the_know
What would be the point? Frankly, who would care? Playing the distances at 12u for LL does nothing to REALLY prepare these kids for high school in the area. Sure, this could be done, but it's alot of effort and money to win a trophy playing at 10u distances, with no lead-off/pick-off. Seems a bit silly just to get on TV.
I'm much happier with my son playing on the larger field, against more elite talent and pushing himself to be a stronger, better player which is what is needed just to make your HS team in these parts. Other than Danny Almonte, anyone remember any names from any of the LLWS teams from the past 10 years? And his is not remembered in any way we'd want our boys known.
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Originally posted by baseball papa
With all of the elite talent that we have in the Atlanta, East Cobb area why can we not put together a team that should be dominant in the Little League format. What rule does Little League have that keeps this team from happening.
East Marietta won the LLWS in 83 and some of the names are in stone at the East Cobb Complex. |
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Catch3dad
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 10:33:29
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Originally posted by mlbscout
One player had the experience of playing in the Little League World Series, College World Series, and MLB World Series (Jason Varitek). What can top this? Winning each one them. That has never been done!
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Originally posted by DBL PLAY
I think playing for Team USA might top LL but heck I never did neither so I couldn't be sure.
Varitek's GT teams never won the college wold series. |
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mlbscout
77 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 18:54:14
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Originally posted by Catch3dad
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Originally posted by mlbscout
One player had the experience of playing in the Little League World Series, College World Series, and MLB World Series (Jason Varitek). What can top this? Winning each one them. That has never been done!
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Originally posted by DBL PLAY
I think playing for Team USA might top LL but heck I never did neither so I couldn't be sure.
Varitek's GT teams never won the college wold series.
That is exactly what I said in my post: "that has never been done". I said that Jason Varitek is the only player to play in the Little League World Series, College World Series, and MLB World Series. The only one he won was the MLB World Series.
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 08/12/2011 : 22:41:18
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| Great game tonight, GA pulls it out in the 6th 4-2. Glad I was wrong about Florida beating Warner Robbins. Good luck in Williamsport boys. |
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Frydaddy
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 00:46:17
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| LL takes so Dang long to play their tourneys. Only 1 game a day and No Sunday play. That is where the cost builds up. The teams that get through District, State, Regional, WS will be playing for a month almost every other day to play 20 games. For the teams that are out of town which usually begins at the state tournament, the parents have to spend a Lot of time away from home/work. This is difficult for many. |
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SouthSide24
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 23:52:01
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I don't know, Elite 32 is kinda of a pain, play sometimes 1 game a day until like Thur/FrI..but beginning of week is loooong...
Besides LL does not have daily gate fees of $15 like disney  |
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oldmanmj
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 17:43:42
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| Honestly, that same amount couldn't hit it from 54'. Quite a few years ago, I had 4 pitchers throwing 73-76 mph consistently from 54' at age 12. We played Warner Robins LL team and Buckheads LL team and wore them flat out. They did not have one player on a major travel team. I didn't recognize anyone from GA or FL being on any major travel teams last year or this either. I only partly agree with "best experience" of my life statement. Any one that has been a part of a major national championship has that same feeling. Back when Sheffield played, Elite baseball almost didn't exist in comparison to today. Ripken televises his championship and it is more exciting to watch than the LLWS. |
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dogatbat
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 08:44:33
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| Bmoser, you are right about Triple Threat being disqualified in the State. One player was playing under one name for triple threat (13AA) and another name for xcrossroads xpress (13AAA). The last name is the same if your interested. There has to be an ethical side of baseball as well as the lights and glory! |
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baseballpapa
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 10:37:25
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| bmoser might be one of the only one of us all that has actually witnessed the elite pitching of the Bandits and the elite pitching of the LL squad from Georgia. I know that the Bandits have at least 5 pitchers that have clocked at between 76 to 83 from 50 feet and we have faced many pitchers during our travel ball season that throw just as hard so how does that compare to the LL pitching. Or is it what most people say and impossible to compare the two. And bmoser is the greatest prediction expert on the forum so who do you pick in a 3 game series between the Bandits and Warner Robins. |
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TAZ980002
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 13:48:57
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| The fastest kid I've seen this year during the LLWS is 76mph. A 76mph fastball from 46' is like a 99.9mph from 60'6". Is anyone hitting this kid from Georgia at 76mph? Imagine if one of the elite 12 year olds was at the LLWS throwing 80mph !!! That would be equivalent to 105.2mph at the MLB level !! Serious GAS !! |
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rippit
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 14:32:40
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Originally posted by dogatbat
Bmoser, you are right about Triple Threat being disqualified in the State. One player was playing under one name for triple threat (13AA) and another name for xcrossroads xpress (13AAA). The last name is the same if your interested. There has to be an ethical side of baseball as well as the lights and glory!
Now I'm just being mean, but see this as it looks TODAY vs the way bmoser's link looked when he pasted it:
http://www.usssa.com/sports/viewteamhistory.asp?CurrentSeasonOnly=1&teamid=1647716
I see differences. Do you? |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 08/23/2011 : 15:39:33
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Don't get too wrapped up in USSSA rosters vs. Little League eligibility and their rosters. Also, you are allowed to be on multiple USSSA rosters at the same time (per their rules). The rosters freeze based on tournaments that you win and qualify for.
Everyone SEEMS to be implying that there was an intent to decieve because this young man shows up under two different first names. One is likely his name as it appears on his birth certificate and the other is likely the name he goes by. Given that different coaches/team managers/team moms, etc., entered the roster names on USSSA, it was probably just that one entered his name by his birth certificate and the other used the name that the kid is known by. USSSA rules state that you are required to use the name as printed on the birth certificate, however, it is VERY common to see it done otherwise. I see some kids that have 2 & 3 different entries in USSSA because of this (i.e., Jonathan, John, Johnny) over different and even the same year. It is not uncommon at all (not correct, but not something anyone was doing as a means to cheat).
Remember, USSSA and LL have nothing to do with one another. If you are implying that this kid or his family or coaches should have their integrity called into question just because you found incosistent roster names, absent any other information is doing a great injustice to them. You don't even know if that is why the team was DQ'd at the USSSA state. You're taking BMoser's speculating and drawing it out further. Enjoy the rest of the LLWS and root for or against GA as you wish, but don't start dragging this kid through the mud because of your speculation.
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Originally posted by rippit
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Originally posted by dogatbat
Bmoser, you are right about Triple Threat being disqualified in the State. One player was playing under one name for triple threat (13AA) and another name for xcrossroads xpress (13AAA). The last name is the same if your interested. There has to be an ethical side of baseball as well as the lights and glory!
Now I'm just being mean, but see this as it looks TODAY vs the way bmoser's link looked when he pasted it:
http://www.usssa.com/sports/viewteamhistory.asp?CurrentSeasonOnly=1&teamid=1647716
I see differences. Do you?
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Outtahere
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 08:09:43
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My son is on USSSA under 2 names. Not to deceive but he was listed under his birth certificate name first when his dad coached him. His current coach used his middle name which he goes by. Not ALWAYS deception going on....
On the same note, I see a lot of negative comments on here regarding what a team accomplishes. Whether a team chooses to do a LLWS, Elite 32, USSSA tournament, TC, etc. It is their choice. I think as a Georgia board we should be positive for all of our Georgia teams/players representation. We have ALOT of folks on here from other states watching some make negative comments. Just sayin' |
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rippit
667 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2011 : 08:21:11
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Originally posted by in_the_know
Don't get too wrapped up in USSSA rosters vs. Little League eligibility and their rosters. Also, you are allowed to be on multiple USSSA rosters at the same time (per their rules). The rosters freeze based on tournaments that you win and qualify for.
Everyone SEEMS to be implying that there was an intent to decieve because this young man shows up under two different first names. One is likely his name as it appears on his birth certificate and the other is likely the name he goes by. Given that different coaches/team managers/team moms, etc., entered the roster names on USSSA, it was probably just that one entered his name by his birth certificate and the other used the name that the kid is known by. USSSA rules state that you are required to use the name as printed on the birth certificate, however, it is VERY common to see it done otherwise. I see some kids that have 2 & 3 different entries in USSSA because of this (i.e., Jonathan, John, Johnny) over different and even the same year. It is not uncommon at all (not correct, but not something anyone was doing as a means to cheat).
Remember, USSSA and LL have nothing to do with one another. If you are implying that this kid or his family or coaches should have their integrity called into question just because you found incosistent roster names, absent any other information is doing a great injustice to them. You don't even know if that is why the team was DQ'd at the USSSA state. You're taking BMoser's speculating and drawing it out further. Enjoy the rest of the LLWS and root for or against GA as you wish, but don't start dragging this kid through the mud because of your speculation.
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Originally posted by rippit
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Originally posted by dogatbat
Bmoser, you are right about Triple Threat being disqualified in the State. One player was playing under one name for triple threat (13AA) and another name for xcrossroads xpress (13AAA). The last name is the same if your interested. There has to be an ethical side of baseball as well as the lights and glory!
Now I'm just being mean, but see this as it looks TODAY vs the way bmoser's link looked when he pasted it:
http://www.usssa.com/sports/viewteamhistory.asp?CurrentSeasonOnly=1&teamid=1647716
I see differences. Do you?
I wasn't even talking about that kid. There are others. And did you note the pictures? I'm saying the same thing you are. Discrepancies are everywhere. Unfortunately, this time (parent/coach/team mom/whoever you want to blame ERROR and oversight)it cost a bunch of 12 year olds some games. Nobody is blaming the kid and nobody is dragging the kid through anything. ADULTS?? Yes.  Player?? NO. |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2011 : 10:28:13
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IMHO if Warner Robbins-Georgia's LL team played the Bandits 3 games in the same day so pitchers could only appear once, Bandits win all 3 games, and 2 would be run-rule's that end in 3 or 4 innings. I think WR GA's #1 and #2 with their slow junk-baller sandwiched in between them could get WR-GA through 1 complete game, but they'd still lose.
I never heard the real reason Triple Threat got DQ'd, and don't know if it was an honest mistake of not knowing the rules, or an intentional infraction. I always give folks the benefit of the doubt until I know all the facts, so for now, I'm assuming it was an honest mistake.
I know of 3 different occasions where Little League teams in this age group have broken USSSA rules in the past 3 years; knowingly or unknowingly...only their Head Coaches know for sure. It's very uncomfortable for all involved when it occurs.
My son too was registered twice in USSSA due to one Coach not entering his name precisely as it appears on his birth cert (back in 9U...he didn't know the rules), so I e-mailed USSSA's State Director's office, and they fixed it the same day.
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JoeBraxton
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Posted - 08/24/2011 : 16:43:54
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| Why is a topic devoted to discussing rec ball the most popular one on this travel ball website ? |
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bmoser
1633 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2011 : 22:24:34
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Because it's Nationally televised.
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Why is a topic devoted to discussing rec ball the most popular one on this travel ball website ?
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T13
257 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2011 : 00:20:26
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| Getting old having to listen to all this Bandit talk....tell them to go find their little league organization they are eligible to play in have them sign up and let them prove it on the field.......if we took the best little league allstar players from each state (similar to how some ga travel teams recruit 12year olds like they are college athletes)...the games would be equal no matter the playing field......at the end of the day travel ball will always play second fiddle to little league (and the crazy fan support this year only will spread the distance...)......enjoy what you have but williamsport is our national past time! |
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Gwinnett
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Posted - 08/25/2011 : 09:09:19
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Clearly, you haven't seen the Bandits play! Not only CAN they prove it but have proved it all season! Where have you been???????????
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Originally posted by T13
Getting old having to listen to all this Bandit talk....tell them to go find their little league organization they are eligible to play in have them sign up and let them prove it on the field.......if we took the best little league allstar players from each state (similar to how some ga travel teams recruit 12year olds like they are college athletes)...the games would be equal no matter the playing field......at the end of the day travel ball will always play second fiddle to little league (and the crazy fan support this year only will spread the distance...)......enjoy what you have but williamsport is our national past time!
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