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jackofalltrades
9 Posts |
 Posted - 06/09/2011 : 19:57:36
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| What pitches should a 9/10 year old have in his bag? |
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snorton11
25 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2011 : 21:29:32
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| Fastball and changeup. |
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WWRD
65 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2011 : 21:33:26
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| Fastball and change up only! |
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Mad1
252 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2011 : 21:34:05
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| Fastball and a change and placement of pitches. |
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WFBaseball
70 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2011 : 22:47:46
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| Fastball, varying speeds of fastball, change only. |
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rustybucket
67 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 08:05:48
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| Good time to start working on a knuckleball as well. It may not be ready for game play until 11/12 but 9/10 is a good starting point I feel. |
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Coach Ga
24 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 09:13:59
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| Fastball and Change |
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22202
263 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 10:27:00
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| How many should they throw in a day along with how much rest? Have the numbers changed since it seems most studies are a few years old and kids are playing more now and IN THEORY would be better conditioned. |
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baseballnutz
427 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 14:40:52
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| Change speeds and throw Strikes! Seems like most big innings start with a walk! |
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rustybucket
67 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 15:14:54
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Rather than practicing live pitching I would suggest spending quite a bit of time on exercising and conditioning the arm muscles. I would also spend a considerable amount of time on core pitching mechanics.
Resistance bands, long toss, arm circles, weighted arm circles, postures and poses, yoga...etc. You could have a 2 hr pitching practice and never thrown the first live pitch.
Many people feel that the only way to practice pitching is to suit up the catcher and throw hard. When in actuality you will get more from the exercises/drills listed above than just going out and pitching.
Also ( I know this is not going to be a popular statement ), be sure to count those practice pitches in your weekly pitch count!! Every 'skilled throw' counts. |
Edited by - rustybucket on 06/10/2011 21:22:31 |
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snorton11
25 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2011 : 15:22:57
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I have seen more kids with hurt arms this year than ever before. I know the pitching rules are in place to help offset this, but using innings rather than pitches is really deceiving. I by no means am an authority on this topic, but lets get the conversation started to see what everyone thinks. It is my opinion that 50-60 pitches should be the limit for most 9U kids. Those that utilize their legs more probably can go a little longer, but we try and limit our kids to no more than 60. If they hit 60 and are close to finishing out an inning we let them continue, but they have a short rope.
Also, we try and throw twice per week. This includes the weekends. We ask the parents to ice their arms that night. I recently learned that they need to run heavily the day after they pitch. I have not looked into this, but the idea is to push the lactic acid out of the muscles and speed up the recovery process. I need to do more research to find out.
I encourage all coaches to share their knowledge on this subject. I feel this is too important not to share with each other. What are your pitch count limits, throwing intervals, and post throwing routines? Great topic! |
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jackofalltrades
9 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2011 : 09:36:38
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| Great information and advice. Thanks everyone! |
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SPTitans
13 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2011 : 16:53:53
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snorton-Do you have any data that would support the need to ice and/or run? I have done some searching of the internet and can not find any supporting documentation to support the need for this. Seems to be more of a old wise tale...
No trying to say you are wrong but wanted to see if you had any evidence to support this.
Another important thing that people have failed to mention is amount of rest time in between outings. Major league baseball players do not throw 60 pitches on back to back days so don't think that your 9 year old child should. |
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snorton11
25 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2011 : 22:29:10
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Have you ever done something for a long time and when they ask you why you do it, then you can't answer it? I have always iced my arm, and I have passed this down to my sons. We developed a pitch count based off of several different resources, and I agree with your assessment of not throwing the following day after a 60 pitch outing. I am happy to say that we have done well in that area. We have felt 20-30 pitches allows you to throw the following day.
Now, I have done some digging and I have found a tremendous website that answers many of these questions. http://www.asmi.org/asmiweb/usabaseball.htm Is the website for the American Sports Medicine Institute. It talks about pitch counts, rest days, and much more. It seems that icing is known to have no adverse effects, so people continue to do it. The running seems to be in the same category. Now, I am really confused. We just want to put our kids in the best condition to throw and heal, so they can pitch injury free for many years. Like I stated this is an awesome topic. If there are any sports medicine doctors out there please reply with your thoughts. |
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snorton11
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SPTitans
13 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2011 : 11:02:57
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Glenn Fleisig with ASMI helped Little League develop those standards.
I am not saying I disagree with the icing thing as anytime my son pitches more that 40 pitches we ice. Pretty much done base upon tribal knowledge and it makes me feel l better. LOL I really don’t get into icing after 20 or so pitches.
I would not hesitate to ASMI is by far the experts on this. They have done countless biomechanical evaluations of pitchers at all levels to come up with their data. This is the closes thing to scientific evidence I have seen.
Below is the ASMI message board. You will see a lot of good questions and answers from the experts here.
http://asmiforum.proboards.com/index.cgi
My opinion based upon my readings:
-Adequate rest between outings.
-Do not pitch more than 100 innings a year. ASMI wrote an article on this. You can find it on the above message board.
-Once a kid becomes fatigued don’t allow them to pitch. Once tired they begin to lose their mechanics and put more strain on their arm.
-Don’t allow a kid to pitch and catch.
-Core strength training/exercises. Most of the torque to pitch comes from the trunk not the arm. If the trunk cannot withstand the physical work of repetitively throwing you will have elbow problems.
-3 months of no throwing action to allow the arm to heal.
In my opinion just be smart… Don’t expect your child to do something a professional athlete can’t do.
I have seen 9 year olds throw curve balls and 150 pitches in a weekend. Not bringing up the curve ball discussion but having a kid throw 150 pitches in 24 hours and 25% of them being cureves is a little crazy in my opinion. When you talk to the parents most of them have no clue. Hope they are studs now and enjoy it because when they are 15 (assuming they are still playing) they will find themselves under the knife getting Tommy John…
That’s my two cents… Great discussion…
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