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MoonShot
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 Posted - 06/05/2011 : 21:32:30
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| Congrats to 643 on winning the Championship.....and to all the teams for a great tournament. |
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baseballnutz
427 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2011 : 22:12:47
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| Nice win 643! And to Covington battling it out to make it to the ship in 90 plus today. |
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CenterField
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Posted - 06/05/2011 : 22:20:31
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Originally posted by CenterField
Why did they change the bracket format this year to double elimination from the Gold & Silver last year?? I hope they communicated this in advance to the teams entered. Because of this format, there are only 5 teams capable of winning the tournament: ECB Yankees, North Cobb, Wills Park, 643DP and Covington.
Just as expected, the last 4 standing were from the group mentioned earlier in the thread. This was basically a Major tournament with no real chance for any other team to compete. Hats off to Eastside for the best showing of the non-Major teams. With the unannounced format of this tournament and the predictable less-than-par umpiring, I would skip this tournament in future years. |
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Steel-Will
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 07:57:22
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A BIG Shout Out to 6-4-3 and Covington Sting....fantastic job. And to 9u ECB Longhorns for coming out of the losers bracket to win it all - way to go "Kin-Folks".
I didn't play organized baseball growing up; only sandlot. My son is 9. We started playing rec ball at 6. At 7, we began playing travel baseball. It must have been well into that 2nd year when I first heard the "proverbial expression", "there is no crying in baseball", as another young kid stood there balling his head off after striking out. That was at 7 and I can remember giggling inside as I watched the tears flow.
We play 10 yr old ball this year and I still saw a few tears this past weekend.
Irregardless of the expression, in reality, there certainly is crying in baseball and there is TONS of WHINING on this board.
Yeah the double-elim is a tough format. Yeah, only the deepest most prepared team will win. Yeah you could probably pick the finally four contenders at the start of the tourny. So what!
News-flash - it's the same four teams that would have been the final four contenders in any tourny format!!!
Many tournys do have "not so good" umps; both teams have to deal with it.
Have you every seen some of these rec ball fields where these kids practice; they're horrible, both teams have to deal with it.
If there weren't so many whiners on this board, maybe one day, there really won't be "any crying in baseball".
Teach the boys to adapt, adjust, and overcome and there will be tears of joy, not only tears of disappointment.
Stop complaining and whining and play baseball.
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Edited by - Steel-Will on 06/06/2011 08:08:04 |
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Hillio
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 11:36:58
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Just as expected, the last 4 standing were from the group mentioned earlier in the thread. This was basically a Major tournament with no real chance for any other team to compete.
Tell that to Wills Park and North Cobb. I saw several of the bracket games for both teams, and many of those games were in question right up until the end. WP was upset by Sharon Springs Blue in a well-played game in the early rounds. Then, JCS had WP down in the final innings of an elimination game, and could have won the game if they hadn't pitched to #7. He burned them for 2 long home runs, and 4-5 RBI in the last couple of innings. North Cobb basically survived their early bracket games against NYO and West Forsyth, but eventually ran out of pitching toward the end. There were plenty of blowouts in this one, but I would have to say that it was a pretty competitive tournament overall.
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MariettaBaseball
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 13:02:56
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Congratulations 6-4-3! You played great this weekend and earned the WIN! Covington, you too played great and hit well. Your games with 6-4-3 were close and I'd like to see you play them a few more time to see what would happen.
I agree with Steel-Will about the whining in baseball. NEWS FLASH...NOBODY IS PERFECT! Not the Umps, Not the Coaches, Not the Parents, and lastly, Not the Players. The umps call it like they see it. They're not there rigging games for one team over another. And coaches, don't tell the kids that the Ump "lost the game". You are supposed to be teaching the kids to play better, play smarter, and win decisively. No game is lost on one "bad" call! They're usually lost by...botched routine plays, fielding errors, running errors, and coaching errors. The whiners need to get some personal responsibility.
As to this weekend and our games, there were some close calls but they went both ways. I thought the Umps did a fine job. |
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MariettaBaseball
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 14:08:31
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| I have to disagree with Hilio's statement about North Cobb running out of pitchers as I think they still had a lot of innings available on their 1st & 2nd tier pitchers during their Covington defeat. Their main pitchers run 5 deep and the second tier 3 deep. That's 8 pitchers with a total of 56 innings available through the Covington game. At the end of that game North Cobb had around 34-37 innings played. Against Covington, they pitched a 9/10 kid who never pitches, why?. Saving arms for the championship, but not making the championship doesn't make sense. |
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Hillio
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2011 : 16:27:09
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Originally posted by MariettaBaseball
I have to disagree with Hilio's statement about North Cobb running out of pitchers as I think they still had a lot of innings available on their 1st & 2nd tier pitchers during their Covington defeat. Their main pitchers run 5 deep and the second tier 3 deep. That's 8 pitchers with a total of 56 innings available through the Covington game. At the end of that game North Cobb had around 34-37 innings played. Against Covington, they pitched a 9/10 kid who never pitches, why?. Saving arms for the championship, but not making the championship doesn't make sense.
You may be right about NC having plenty of pitching left. I was basing my comments mostly on the fact that they gave up 33 runs in their last two games. No what you would normally see from this team. |
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MariettaBaseball
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 22:05:27
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| I didn't realize NC gave up 33 runs, that's a lot. From what I know, both teams hit well off of NC, into gaps. NC had fielding errors which prevented them from closing out innings. |
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baseballnutz
427 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2011 : 00:25:02
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| Covington is one of the best hitting teams in 10U top to bottom and NC didn't help themselves in the field when they played and 643 played solid small ball (and a big 2 run HR in the 1st) and ran the bases very well against them. I will say the strike zone was very small most of the weekend and helped the better hitting teams big time, good hitters could really sit on pitches - just ask #7 from Wills Park. I think one of the main reasons 643 won it was they didn't give in on the mound, it looked like they pitched to corners and changed speeds very well all weekend. |
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Leebegbaseball
29 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2011 : 12:52:33
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| You cant give anything at the mound when you play 10 year olds on 200 foot fences. The fields are way too small for 10 year old when these guys were 8 they were hitting over 200 feet. If you dont play on bigger fields it will be a home run fest. That is why cooperstown is s rediculous at 12U. |
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outinleftfield
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 10:08:36
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I can see how one would think 200 foot fences are too short for 10-year-old travel baseball players. Like you said some of those kids were hitting home runs at that distance when they were 7 / 8. But if we take a deeper look at this past tournament, I think the data would tell us that 200 foot fences are more than enough for 95% of the players. If we were to throw out the outliers (meaning those kids who hit zero home runs and those who hit the most home runs) and we focused only on the kid that hit the lease or the second most home runs for their team, we would be hard-pressed to find any kid that hit more than two. If we step back and take a broader look at the numbers: just factor in how many total at-bats from all the players in the tournament versus how many home runs were hit, again I think the percentage will be low. So what numbers are telling us, is that for the top 5% that played in the Triple Crown State the fences were short but for the majority 200 feet was plenty of distance.
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Hillio
123 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2011 : 13:27:16
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Originally posted by outinleftfield
I can see how one would think 200 foot fences are too short for 10-year-old travel baseball players. Like you said some of those kids were hitting home runs at that distance when they were 7 / 8. But if we take a deeper look at this past tournament, I think the data would tell us that 200 foot fences are more than enough for 95% of the players. If we were to throw out the outliers (meaning those kids who hit zero home runs and those who hit the most home runs) and we focused only on the kid that hit the lease or the second most home runs for their team, we would be hard-pressed to find any kid that hit more than two. If we step back and take a broader look at the numbers: just factor in how many total at-bats from all the players in the tournament versus how many home runs were hit, again I think the percentage will be low. So what numbers are telling us, is that for the top 5% that played in the Triple Crown State the fences were short but for the majority 200 feet was plenty of distance.
Agreed.
What constitutes too many long balls anyway? MLB averages about two home runs per game. I would be really surprised if the TC State tourney averaged more than 2-3 per game. |
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wareagle
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 15:16:18
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Originally posted by outinleftfield
I can see how one would think 200 foot fences are too short for 10-year-old travel baseball players. Like you said some of those kids were hitting home runs at that distance when they were 7 / 8. But if we take a deeper look at this past tournament, I think the data would tell us that 200 foot fences are more than enough for 95% of the players. If we were to throw out the outliers (meaning those kids who hit zero home runs and those who hit the most home runs) and we focused only on the kid that hit the lease or the second most home runs for their team, we would be hard-pressed to find any kid that hit more than two. If we step back and take a broader look at the numbers: just factor in how many total at-bats from all the players in the tournament versus how many home runs were hit, again I think the percentage will be low. So what numbers are telling us, is that for the top 5% that played in the Triple Crown State the fences were short but for the majority 200 feet was plenty of distance.
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Agreed as well. The kids need to have the opportunity to be able to hit home runs. My son is not a homerun hitter. He pitches a good bit and has had a few hit off of him, and he just has to learn how to pitch different kids. If the fields were bigger, the "studs" would simply be held to doubles and triples w/ lots of RBI's. The singles or doubles in the gap would also roll further and allow more bases.
I truly have not seen a disturbing # of HR's on the 200' fields except for a few kids who would probably clear 225' anyway. How big do you go?
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