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HAWKS8
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 Posted - 05/27/2011 : 07:40:45
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| Okay, I guess it is the time of year most of us are getting ready to move up to the next age group and will be looking at getting new bats. I know with the new restrictions that have been implemented there is a question of what bats still have the much desired pop. Of course my son has his ideas of what the "hot bat" is right now. Let me know what you all have heard. |
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in_the_know
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Posted - 05/27/2011 : 10:21:39
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Originally posted by HAWKS8
Okay, I guess it is the time of year most of us are getting ready to move up to the next age group and will be looking at getting new bats. I know with the new restrictions that have been implemented there is a question of what bats still have the much desired pop. Of course my son has his ideas of what the "hot bat" is right now. Let me know what you all have heard.
Probably not enough info available yet as I don't believe there has been enough road testing done in the field. You can go off what colleges are saying, in which case I've heard that the 5150 is one of the hotter BBCOR bats. 90% of the high school players used BESR since BBCOR isn't required for them until next season. I don't think their findings would translate well down to the Senior League/Youth bats as there is rarely a good coorelation between what drop 3 bats are hot to what drop 5-12 bats are hot.
Likewise, I don't know of too many travel players voluntarily restricting themselves by using the BPF 1.15 or BBCOR bats now and are waiting until the rule becomes mandatory. I don't think that we will know until sometime next fall or early spring which bats are the most forgiving or have the largest sweet spot. That will be the real difference as the "pop" off most all of them will be nearly identical. |
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Whitlow
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Posted - 05/29/2011 : 20:53:42
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| If you look in the forums here at older age groups and around the web everyone will tell you that the new BBCOR bats suck and most will say you might as well use wood bats. I was thinking of getting my son a -5 or -3 bat as well, but from what I'm reading the BBCORs are nothing like the old BESR bats. As a matter of fact a lot of people are saying they think that changes will be made to the BBCOR ruling because the bats are so flat. |
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Whitlow
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Whitlow
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Posted - 06/02/2011 : 09:54:24
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Originally posted by Whitlow
I was thinking about picking up an old model BESR certified bat, but it looks like at least in USSSA it will have to be certified:
http://www.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-general/2011-12NewBaseballBatMarksGrandfatheringRulesAnnouncement.pdf
 Looks like everyone will be buying new bats next year! What boom for the bat industry. At least for USSSA those deals for last years models won't do you any good because they won't have the new USSSA stamp. Does anyone know what Grand Slam, Triple Crown, and Nations are requiring next year??? |
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Whitlow
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 13:38:40
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From what I've read on baseball-bats.net forums from on engineer is that nearly all metal bats from the past already meet the USSSA 1.15 standard, but you will have to have the new 2012 USSSA stamp. I suspect but maybe wrong that these bats will be a little hotter than any new BBCOR bats. Louisville Slugger already has what looks to be the same old Omaha bat in a -5 with the new USSSA stamp. Demarini seems to have taken a different approach and has both their -5 and -3 Voodoo listed as BBCOR. From what I've read as well Easton is coming out with a new BBCOR bat this fall being used in the College World series that has been very popular. So you may want to wait till Fall to buy a BBCOR bat when more selection is available and they have tweaked them more.
I believe they will find ways around the new rules to make the new bats better. Not that I don't believe in protecting the players, but I just believe bat tinkering will become more prevalent and the manufacturers will compensate by shifting the weight to make the bats swing speed lighter to offset the batted ball speed off the bat and smaller sweet spot.
I like wood bats but I think they become a cost issue with all the breakage at the high school and college level.
So far I've picked up two wood bats at -5 and -3 and a -3 2001 BESR high school bat to start using this fall. My son only has next year at 13U or 14U before entering high school. |
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Tball
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 19:42:50
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| Is USSSA shooting themselves in the foot??? What is Triple Crowns stand?? |
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cmoncoach
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Posted - 06/19/2011 : 22:32:36
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Beginning JANUARY 1, 2012, Big Barrel baseball bats (2?” or 2¾”) will be allowed
in USSSA sanctioned play for 14U and below if, and only if,
1) they have the New USSSA Mark (see below) prominently and
permanently displayed on their taper and are manufactured by an approved
USSSA bat licensee (a list of these USSSA approved bat licensees is
found on the USSSA/Baseball website), OR
2) is a "Qualified BBCOR Bat" ( a Big Barrel bat that is made by a USSSA
approved bat licensee, has a BBCOR mark permanently attached to the bat
that is recognized by NHSF as a legal bat for NHSF sanctioned play and
has no more than a minus 3 ounces difference from the length of the bat
which bat must be at least 29 inches long), OR
3) is a Wood Bat manufactured by an approved USSSA bat licensee .
As i read "2", i recognize that it says it must have no more than a -3 drop. Does that mean bbcor bats will only be made to - 3?
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in_the_know
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Posted - 06/20/2011 : 07:40:16
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Unlikely since anything greater than a drop 3 wouldn't be legal in an NCAA or NFHS contest anyway, the certification becomes irrelevant. Much like you wouldn't find any bats in the past greater than drop 3 with the BESR certification. You will find the bpf 1.15 certs on bats greater than drop 3 since that certification was required by Little League and USSSA in the past, but as you mention in your post, the new logo USSSA certification mark OR BBCOR will be required by USSSA beginning next season. Understand that the BBCOR certification and the USSSA bpf 1.15 certifications are not interchangeable, however, USSSA recognizes that a BBCOR certified bat meets their bpf 1.15 restrictions and will allow it in USSSA play. This does not go both ways with regard to the USSSA certification being accepted by NCAA/NFHS for legal play.
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Originally posted by cmoncoach
Beginning JANUARY 1, 2012, Big Barrel baseball bats (2?” or 2¾”) will be allowed
in USSSA sanctioned play for 14U and below if, and only if,
1) they have the New USSSA Mark (see below) prominently and
permanently displayed on their taper and are manufactured by an approved
USSSA bat licensee (a list of these USSSA approved bat licensees is
found on the USSSA/Baseball website), OR
2) is a "Qualified BBCOR Bat" ( a Big Barrel bat that is made by a USSSA
approved bat licensee, has a BBCOR mark permanently attached to the bat
that is recognized by NHSF as a legal bat for NHSF sanctioned play and
has no more than a minus 3 ounces difference from the length of the bat
which bat must be at least 29 inches long), OR
3) is a Wood Bat manufactured by an approved USSSA bat licensee .
As i read "2", i recognize that it says it must have no more than a -3 drop. Does that mean bbcor bats will only be made to - 3?
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