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Gwinnett
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 Posted - 10/21/2010 : 18:00:11
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There's always talk of great hitters or consistant hitters or power hitters or bunters?
My question is to all dads, coachs, asst coachs, friends, moms for that matter. Now I know what my sons average range is, but what I don't know is how it stacks up with the rest of the league/teams and what other peoples view is on what constitutes a super star hitter, a great hitter, a consistant hitter. I can figure out a "you should give up baseball hitter" average.
In solid AAA I would guess an average in the 400's would constitute a good hitter?????
In solid AAA I would guess an average in the 500's would constitute a great hitter????
In solid AAA I would guess an average in the 600's and up would constitute a super star????
Of course when calulating these averages errors are being factored in without a doubt.
What about players who bunt and sacrifice for high averages--where do they fit in this scale?????
For all on Major teams can you please give me an idea for super star hitter, great hitter, and consistant hitter I'm dieing to know.
I know I could keep guessing but I would love to hear from others. Thanks for your input!!! |
Edited by - Gwinnett on 10/21/2010 18:07:01 |
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wareagle
324 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2010 : 20:53:03
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Not sure if #s are correct but they seem realistic. I have no experience at this age but I would think the avg would be the same in each level since the pitching also changes. Compare a good minor league player avg to a good major leaguer?
If batters are over 500 they probably need to move up. Just my opinion. |
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SSBuckeye
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 21:29:28
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I imagine there is a wide range in how teams score hits and errors. My scorekeeper keeps the book like we are a major league team. You have to really earn your hits. I've compared notes with some teams we've played and we always seem to show 2-3 hits per team fewer in our book than the teams we play. Nothing wrong with that, but it makes comparing across teams problematic.
I only care how my boys compare relative to others on the team, and even then I look at OBP more than batting average for the most part. With all that in mind, a .400 batting average on our team is very good. A .500 hitter would be exceptional. I can't fathom someone who can hit a legitimate .600, though I'm sure they probably exist somewhere (just not on my team)! Now, having played 4 games this fall, I am seeing averages about 50 points higher than last year on the 50 foot mounds. So, I guess I would add 50 points to what I said earlier to account for 11u ball.
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Hillio
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Posted - 10/21/2010 : 22:41:56
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| Average is an important stat, obviously. But in my opinion, it is overrated by most people who pay attention to such things. OBP is more important in my book, and OPS even more important than OBP. When it comes down to it, production is all that matters when talking about offensive stats. They don't give you points in games for for hits, only runs scored. I think an official stat needs to be created that takes into account runs scored, RBI's and OPS. I don't know what you would call it, but such a stat would paint a very good picture of an offensive player, whether it be a power hitter, or speedy contact type at the top or bottom of the lineup that gets on base and scores a lot of runs. |
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Spartan4
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 00:52:41
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| Moser is about right, and Buckeye is on to something with OBP being an important stat as well. I haven't seen a team have more than one "super star" on a AAA team. And I think many of these stud kids have been noticed and been recruited(evil)....And the ones that don't move up aren't really protected by other really strong kids being in the lineup. Our biggest hitter last year was intentionally walked over 20 times last year, and I can't remember him getting any pitches inside....I don't blame the opposing coaches as I would have called the same pitches....However, when the man behind him is a stud coaches will really have to pick who they want to take on...Just like in the major leagues batting averages are a good indicator of talent but they can also give a fan/dad/coach a false impression. When looking at kids I believe to be great hitters I am personally looking at how well they work counts,) taking good curve balls early in counts, and being able to capitalize on a mistake....All of our boys will get better at this the older they get, but the great ones now just don't allow a pitcher to make many mistakes... |
Edited by - Spartan4 on 10/22/2010 08:22:16 |
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RACGOFAR
208 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2010 : 08:53:28
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Its impoosiblt to compare avg. between teams because you don't know how the scoring is done. One scorer's double is another scorer's single and advance on error. At this age I agree that OBP is the more important than avg and run production is as important as OBP. We emphasize with our players the desire to have productive AB's. We use a hitting chart that assigns points for certain things: ex: single = 1pt, double = 2pts, rbi = 1 point, moving runner = 1 pt etc. But there are also minus points asigned for things like SOL, leaving men on base, failing to move runner, etc.
This helps the boys understand that they can have a productive AB without getting a hit and it helps them form riding the results roller coaster. You can doownload the chart from our team website at www.hardballwarriors.org if you want a copy. Its a great tool. |
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ECB
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 10:45:50
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| I think everyone has hit the nail on the head. The main factor is who is keeping the book. We had someone last spring that marked everything a hit and this fall we have someone that will rule it an error if a 11U player can not make a major leauge play. My opinion is that if you keep the books correctly as they do in the Major Leauge there are very few kids in the AAA or Major level that are .500 hitters. I would say there are no legit .600 hitters. I believe at this level of play a strong/great hitter would be in the .425-.475 range. |
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bmoser
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 11:25:00
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RACGOFAR: Great idea!
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Hillio
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Posted - 10/22/2010 : 13:03:00
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quote:
We use a hitting chart that assigns points for certain things: ex: single = 1pt, double = 2pts, rbi = 1 point, moving runner = 1 pt etc. But there are also minus points asigned for things like SOL, leaving men on base, failing to move runner, etc.
I wouldn't mind having a copy, but I couldn't find it on the website. I assumed it would be in the handout section, but I didn't see it.
Just out of curiosity, how many points were your good hitters accumulating over the course of a season? How many games? |
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ecbinsider
318 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2010 : 15:46:14
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Originally posted by ECB
I think everyone has hit the nail on the head. The main factor is who is keeping the book. We had someone last spring that marked everything a hit and this fall we have someone that will rule it an error if a 11U player can not make a major leauge play. My opinion is that if you keep the books correctly as they do in the Major Leauge there are very few kids in the AAA or Major level that are .500 hitters. I would say there are no legit .600 hitters. I believe at this level of play a strong/great hitter would be in the .425-.475 range.
ECB,
Having a kid hit .500 is not that uncommon especially if your playing AA/AAA teams. |
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Gwinnett
791 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2010 : 23:05:22
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Sounds like if your playing at a solid AAA level with the books being done right (meaning you have to really earn a run) my guessing was off by about 50 points. I can live with that. Of course if your playing down or up or your books aren't being done properly no telling where you will end up????
Thanks for all the input so far its been very helpful!!!!
Great idea, RACGOFAR I see the boys being more focused about contributing.
I also recognize OBP is always a big factor when considering a hitters potential. |
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RACGOFAR
208 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2010 : 23:11:56
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| The Bulldog Hitting chart is under the handouts section (Parent/Coach Resources) at www.harballwarriors.org. 5-7 points is a good day at the dish, but we've had players score as many as 19-25 and -7 to -10. we want them to stay in the positive numbers. |
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