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| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 19:40:50
Bubba,
I would have sent this directly to you, but I believe there are a lot of people on the board that would like to know the answers as well.
I see some Super NIT's out in AZ are offering Quadruple points. What is the typical points value of the other Super NIT's and why are these tournaments allowed to offer these extra points?
Also, there are 4 Super NIT's (MS, MO, MI, and LA) that are giving 2 berths in their tournament rather than 1.
In addition, LA actually has 2 Super NIT's for a total of 3 berths. So Cal has 3 Super NIT's and FL has 4 Super NIT's.
With the teams that will travel into GA to play, why is it that we only get one Super NIT with one Berth? It seems like one of the FL Super NIT berths could be moved to GA leaving them 1 each for So FL, Central FL, and No FL. Also, with LA being on the coast, they lose one border to have teams travel from. If one of those berths was used somewhere more central, say the Nashville TN area, it would draw a better distribution of teams.
I was hoping you could shed some light on all of this. |
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| bmoser |
Posted - 01/08/2010 : 07:48:39
Yes I did, but since travel ball wasn't around in the 1920's when they were kids, USSA made a special ruling to allow them to play beginning 2010 in any age group they desire to make it all up to them. No scooters, walkers, canes, or other mobility aids will be permitted. I've heard the glove repair business down there is booming, and some of the glove repairmen have been overcome with moth ball fumes.
quote:
Originally posted by baseballpapa
moser, Are you taking into consideration that over 1/2 of Florida's population is over 95 years old and does not play youth baseball.
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| baseballpapa |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 21:56:00
moser, Are you taking into consideration that over 1/2 of Florida's population is over 95 years old and does not play youth baseball. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 20:09:29
Here's why:
If Florida has 1000 teams and USSSA wants 15% to be majors, then 150 teams will be deemed Majors.
If Georgia has 500 teams, then 75 will be majors.
The number of youth baseball players is largely driven by overall population. Florida has a high number of retirees, so that scews it to some degree I will agree. Climate also gives Georgia an edge in relation to Northern States with large populations.
Trust me, you dont want to ignore the numbers. If Georgia takes on Florida, California, or Texas in youth baseball on a grand scale, Georgia loses. Take a look at how many Major leaguers come from each State, then report back to us with your findings.
Case closed.
quote:
Originally posted by longhorn1
I do not need state population numbers! Why does it not matter more how many teams you have? Are there four times as many teams in other states considering geography?
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| longhorn1 |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 17:44:26
I do not need state population numbers! Why does it not matter more how many teams you have? Are there four times as many teams in other states considering geography? |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 11:48:33
gausssa:
I'd rather have an answer I disagreed with than no answer at all, so thanks for that! |
| gausssa |
Posted - 01/07/2010 : 10:38:49
Guys, with the new year turning I am getting "very" busy answering the phone,returning emails and teams signing up for my on tournaments. By the way, is Elite Sporting Events at http://leaguelineup.com/elitesportingevents I may not check the site as much now but can always reach by cell or email.
Now, getting back to the Super Nit thing. I have said more than once that i agree with everyone about the berths/number of Super Nit's that Ga. has and i have expressed this to Matt. You guys ask me to get some answers/feed back and i did. Weather or not "we" agree with the reason's or the numbers it is what it is for now. Matt has listened and is "our" voice at these National Meeting's. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 22:10:04
Chief: Before you get too carried away listening to Coach Troy you need to know that I heard him say that he has never seen an Indian that could hit at all much less a homer. |
| chiefknockahoma |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 21:07:33
quote:
Originally posted by baseballpapa
Nole27: I am surprised that you could get anybody in Ga USSSA to even talk to you at all. Until Bubba came along I thought they were running the program with a hidden icon. I think Bubba will let us know what the reasoning is behind the questions we have asked.
We cannot skip the Super NIT in Atlanta if the tough teams are truly coming but Coach Troy has asked that they provide better fields, policemen to direct traffic and shorter urinals so he can wee wee. He can't reach the adult urinals.
I heard from Coach troy , thats he wants it moved because the bathrooms arent big enough for you to get in Papa , he said You have such a hard time getting in those porta jons. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 16:04:30
I cant wait to see the Cobras, Bulldogs, and USA Boltz. I've seen some of the MBA Pride players, and have seen the Bombers a few times. These are 5 great teams. For now, I can only place the Bandits, Sandtown, and 6-4-3C in this Elite class in Georgia, but I think 1 or 2 more will emerge in Georgia this year. Can't wait to see if Team GA can hang at this level. I think one of the East Cobb teams might get there this year too.
Are there any other teams in FLA capable of beating the 5 I mentioned? do the FLA teams care about USSSA rankings and points, and births like some here do?
quote:
Originally posted by 10 BB
Sorry Bill Team USA Boltz beat Pembroke Lake Bulldogs by runrule at the Triple Crown Fall Nationals at St Augustine but I guess you would have had to be there to know that since TC doesn't have a ranking system like USSSA!!!
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| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 10:59:15
I was hoping the quad points were typical for all Super NIT's. I could not remember. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 10:26:20
Bubba,
Thanks for your's and Matt's replies to these questions. I understand the population evaluations but I stand by my assertion that GA deserves one of 4 berths that FL gets. Especially since a lot of FL teams will come up to play here anyway. FL's population is 2x that of GA, not 4x. (I would argue that FL's population is heavy in retired people and snowbirds and is a little skewed for assessment of baseball, but I digress....)
I hope we have provided some feedback that may help Matt in arguing GA's point in the next National meeting (which I understand does not come up until this time next yr.).
Thanks again for getting back with us. Hopefully we can all work together to make the situation better. |
| bball2008 |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 09:40:50
According to GA USSSA's own website, last year's S-NIT drew 339 teams. I can't imagine that the other states' S-NIT's eclipse that number(if at all) by a wide enough margin to not justify more berths for GA. |
| CJM |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 09:12:10
Bubba, appreciate the feedback and would like to point out a couple things. In your response there are several examples of why one SNIT provides more than 1 berth of why one area has more than one SNIT, due to location and nearby cities etc. Really? So Atlanta doesn't draw other teams from other locations and isn't but a couple hours away from larger metro areas that add to it's overall population which should also add to the population used to determine berths and number of SNIT events? I know you are providing the explanation but come on, that doesn't sit very well. Being just a couple hours away from FL, AL, TN, SC - there needs to be some more examination to this.
Florida has 18.3 Million compared to Georgia’s 9.6 Million.
• Southern Louisiana is a small area but draws its teams from South Texas (Houston 5.7 Million) and the surrounding areas giving it an effective population of 9.1 Million.
• The Tennessee Super NIT is the corner (Tri-Cities Area) of TN and draws from Kentucky, Virginia & North Carolina with a total population of 11.3 Million.
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| 10 BB |
Posted - 01/05/2010 : 08:57:17
Sorry Bill Team USA Boltz beat Pembroke Lake Bulldogs by runrule at the Triple Crown Fall Nationals at St Augustine but I guess you would have had to be there to know that since TC doesn't have a ranking system like USSSA!!! |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 19:06:06
Nole27: I am surprised that you could get anybody in Ga USSSA to even talk to you at all. Until Bubba came along I thought they were running the program with a hidden icon. I think Bubba will let us know what the reasoning is behind the questions we have asked.
We cannot skip the Super NIT in Atlanta if the tough teams are truly coming but Coach Troy has asked that they provide better fields, policemen to direct traffic and shorter urinals so he can wee wee. He can't reach the adult urinals. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 18:24:34
Perhaps I should have said in USSSA play. You may be correct, so please advise. West Pine Cobras beat both teams in USSSA play this Fall, and are my team to be watched for 2010.
I cant wait to see how the 5 Florida powerhouses stack up versus all the rest this season.
quote:
Originally posted by 10 BB
moser; the answer to your question is Team USA Boltz
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| gausssa |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 17:49:15
Sorry guys for the late reply but i haven't been on the site sence before New Years. I did ask Matt Trebuchon about these issue's/questions and ask that he give me something i could post that would try and clear some things up..As i have stated before "i here ya load and clear about the 2 berths for Ga." Maybe one day we will get it. Again, sorry for the delay!!!!
The following post to each question came from the State Director:
Alter-Ego
Posted - 01/01/2010 : 19:40:50
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Bubba,
I would have sent this directly to you, but I believe there are a lot of people on the board that would like to know the answers as well.
I see some Super NIT's out in AZ are offering Quadruple points. What is the typical points value of the other Super NIT's and why are these tournaments allowed to offer these extra points?
Also, there are 4 Super NIT's (MS, MO, MI, and LA) that are giving 2 berths in their tournament rather than 1.
In addition, LA actually has 2 Super NIT's for a total of 3 berths. So Cal has 3 Super NIT's and FL has 4 Super NIT's.
With the teams that will travel into GA to play, why is it that we only get one Super NIT with one Berth? It seems like one of the FL Super NIT berths could be moved to GA leaving them 1 each for So FL, Central FL, and No FL. Also, with LA being on the coast, they lose one border to have teams travel from. If one of those berths was used somewhere more central, say the Nashville TN area, it would draw a better distribution of teams.
I was hoping you could shed some light on all of this.
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Edited by - Alter-Ego on 01/01/2010 19:41:19
All Super NIT’s award quadruple points compared to a regular Qualifier. See the below link.
http://www.usssa.com/sports/Legend.asp?LSport=11
Super NIT locations and berth allocations are decided upon by the National Committee. One of the contributing factors is population and team density. Along with population comes team density.
• California has a population of 36.7 Million compared to Georgia’s 9.6 Million.
• Florida has 18.3 Million compared to Georgia’s 9.6 Million.
• Mississippi has 2.9 Million but Southaven is a suburb of the Memphis / Germantown / Bartlett / West Memphis areas and is only a 2 hour drive from Little Rock (Arkansas doesn’t have a Super NIT) so the total population for that area is figured at about 10.5 Million.
• The Missouri Super NIT awards two berths and Oklahoma one because they’re the only Midwest Super NIT’s in a spread out area with a population of 17.1 Million.
• Michigan is the only one in the area and has a population of 10.2 Million.
• Southern Louisiana is a small area but draws its teams from South Texas (Houston 5.7 Million) and the surrounding areas giving it an effective population of 9.1 Million.
• The Shreveport Super NIT is a carryover from Dallas / Ft. Worth when they no longer could handle a 250 team event. Shreveport is due east about 175 miles and now has Dallas / Ft. Worth’s second berth.
• The Tennessee Super NIT is the corner (Tri-Cities Area) of TN and draws from Kentucky, Virginia & North Carolina with a total population of 11.3 Million.
By the way guys, the Elite WS Director is not from LA, he’s from Georgia so we can eliminate any coincidence. It’s all about numbers.
JCB
Posted - 01/02/2010 : 18:53:36
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Another question for Bubba; what does it take to get quadrupple points? I have been told in the past that multiples of points are based on the amount ($$) the tournament director (TD's) pays to USSSA. If that is correct than TD's are trying to lure more teams and fuller fields by offering more points - which in theory sounds great, but if the differentiation in awarded tournament points is supposed to be based on the type of event than that should be it - no double points, triple points, or now quadrupple points. Getting higher ranking and better seeding should not be based on doing better in a tournament that has paid up for points. That seems contrary to the concept of identifying the best based on tournament results. Also, the power rating of who a team has played should be the main criteria for determing rankings and resulting future seeding; and not points based on the number of tournaments. If identifying the Nation's best teams is the goal of the USSSA,then rewarding teams for playing a large number of USSSA events, and thus earning more points, should not be the driving force for the rankings.
What does everyone else think?
There are basically three levels of qualifying tournaments:
1) Qualifier – standard points
2) NIT – double points
3) Super NIT – quadruple points
See this link. http://www.usssa.com/sports/Legend.asp?LSport=11
In addition, each state has two “Double Point Weekends” each year. Every tournament played those weekends has automatic double points. In Georgia they are always the first weekend in May (April 30 – May 2 this year) and Memorial Day Weekend. So in effect, a “Double Point Weekend” makes a regular Qualifier like an NIT and an NIT like a Super NIT from a USSSA Points standing. As a note, if a Super NIT is scheduled on a double point weekend, the double points do not apply to the Super NIT.
USSSA Points are used for seeding because it rewards teams that play more USSSA. I know Publix won’t let you use your Kroger Discount Card and vice-versa. USSSA Power Ratings are the true ranking of teams top to bottom because it measures what a team does on the field. This is why the State Office relies heavily on USSSA Power Ratings for reclassification and not USSSA Points.
For The Love Of The Game!
Matt T. Trebuchon
Vice President - USSSA Baseball
1029 N. Peachtree Pkwy., Suite 213
Peachtree City, Georgia 30269
Tel: 678.719.8713 x115
Fax: 678.364.8923
Email: mtrebuchon@gausssabaseball.com
Web: www.gausssabaseball.com
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| Nole27 |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 10:51:47
I asked Matt Trebuchon this question last year and his answer as to why he doesn't give but one berth in the Super NIT was "Because I don't have to". For those that don't know, he is the one that calls the shots in Georgia for USSSA. It is what it is. The only way to get concessions from him is more competition. With all of these other orgnizations competing in GA and siphening some teams from USSSA, it can only help make these guys more accountable to the folks that are the source of their living. One day, they will catch on to this. |
| TAZ980002 |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 10:34:04
quote:
Originally posted by bball2008
There may be 288 major teams in FL but they are made up of only about 50 teams worth of players. Lots of kids on multiple rosters.
LOL !!! |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 09:56:57
moser; the answer to your question is Team USA Boltz |
| wildcats9596 |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 07:39:28
A very quick google of the respective populations shows that Florida has almost twice as many people as Georgia.
Florida plays baseball even longer than we do.
Whether USSSA is thriving or dying, active or inactive, in either state, these numbers shouldn't be all that surprising. |
| Mike Corbin |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 00:05:05
Papa, many of the teams have just not registered yet. As we get closer to the season starting up you will see quite a few more teams sign up.
Travelfan, one of the problems with the Elite 32 is the timing of it. It has always been scheduled to extend into the first week of August. Many of our kids are starting back to school that week. They have moved it up a couple of weeks now, so I think you will see the push to play in that event increase. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 01/03/2010 : 22:09:38
10bb,
I could accept that rationale but there are only 2x the number of Major teams in FL vs GA, but the Super NIT's are 4:1. That is why I was recommending moving one to GA for a 3:2 ratio.
Also the FL teams have an advantage with having the Elite in FL because of the travel ease.
Let's keep in mind, any coach with a new pair of turf shoes can sign his team up as Major. Simple numbers is not a good rationale for determining the number of Super NIT's.
If USSSA wants to win back more of the market share in GA, they need to make changes like this to entice teams play more of their tournaments.
(BTW, related to 2010 GA teams don't typically register until the spring.) |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 01/03/2010 : 21:58:02
Papa; to tell the truth each year there have been more teams sign up year after year as major in Ga as a whole. The thing is a team can be a major team if they request it but as moser has stated there is alot of ball to be played in Ga just not at the major level (not saying no major level teams but not major tournaments) and with the economy as it is they would just rather stay AAA and play close to home. Think about this, if every team in Ga registered Major then there would be no A, AA or AAA tournaments. All of the USSSA tournaments would be open. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/03/2010 : 21:44:29
PaPa,
To see all the 11U USSSA GA Major teams, you have to do 2 things:
1st, go to the re-class report on the Georgia USSSA web site. It shows 15 teams, 13 that were Majors last year, and 2 AAA's that got bumped up to Majors for 11U. Some of these have disbanded. Grip, Stixx, Express, Scorpions.
2nd, go to team rankings, enter GA/Major/11U/points and 12 teams pops up. This adds some teams that have successfully appealed, or new teams that have chosen to classify themselves as Majors since the re-class report has been released. You'll see Jackets Gold, Team GA, Colts.
If you collate these 2 lists (or merge them together), you'll have the Major class for the start of the 11U season. I'll do this after the appeals process has been completed.
For North FL only 6 pop up on the points method. I have not seen their re-class report yet.
FLA's 2 births in the South Region is dead on and justified. FLA's North Region having 2 is not IMHO.
pop quiz: which team has beaten both MBA Pride and the Pembroke Bulldogs this year?
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