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| teddy41 |
Posted - 12/07/2009 : 17:04:25
I would be curious as to how many people also have kids in high school and whether playing time is ever dictated by how much fundraising the kids do or how much you give to booster club.
My oldest son has been given quite a bit of activities to do already and very few are baseball related. Most are income related.
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| coachdan06 |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 23:16:21
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Originally posted by a1prog
every school does things differently. it depends on what the budget for the program is. at roswell its about 90k so parents have to do a lot. player package fee, sign board advertising, program advertising, golf tournament, discount cards, silent auction/dinner event, tastefest. and then on top of that you have to pay for tickets to games and for the pregame meal.
can you be serious about 90,000 to run a high school program even for all teams ???
i write checks as a living so know in good general what things cost.
no way unless the high school coaches are getting a big amount of it as ' compensation '
please give details , a1prog
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| jaguars18 |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 19:52:03
how much of that budget goes to coaches pockets.. |
| a1prog |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 13:32:37
every school does things differently. it depends on what the budget for the program is. at roswell its about 90k so parents have to do a lot. player package fee, sign board advertising, program advertising, golf tournament, discount cards, silent auction/dinner event, tastefest. and then on top of that you have to pay for tickets to games and for the pregame meal.
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| biged |
Posted - 12/12/2009 : 09:56:13
I live on the other side of the tracks (North Ga Mountains/NC) and we don't pay anything. A few fundraisers, but nothing like what is being described here. I assume that they have players pay these fees, because they live in more affluent neighborhoods and their parents have the resources to pay. Or, more cynically, some of these booster clubs, described in this thread, exist to shrink the talent pool down so that some less skilled, wealthier kids get an advantage.
I don't feel it is right to force kids to pay if they want to pay. I wonder how many good athletes are discouraged as a result of these these fees.
Just curious as to what fees are required on the South Side of Atlanta to play varsity sports. |
| bballman |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 22:35:49
Yes they are public schools. My son goes to Centennial and the other school I was talking about is Roswell. |
| biged |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 21:01:25
These can't be public schools. Can they? |
| bballman |
Posted - 12/11/2009 : 08:20:15
Most all sports, maybe all, have a fee to pay to play. At my son's school last year, it was $300 to play baseball. It was something like $500 or $750 to play football. At a rival HS it was something like $1500 to play baseball. That included actual cash plus getting a required $ amount of sponsor money. Then you have fundraiser stuff you do. For us it was selling discount cards and an annual "Breakfast with Santa" the baseball team puts on. Kids have to sell tickets to it and then help with the breakfast.
We are in Fulton County. In Fulton, the county does not give any money to the schools for the sports programs. They give money for facilities, which includes field maintenance and upgrades, but nothing for uniforms or any other sport related expenses. Whatever money the program wants to spend either comes from a general school fund or from fundraising and fees. The general school fund comes from ticket sales from the sporting events. It is put into a big pot, then dolled out to the various sports, I guess by the AD.
This is my understanding. If anyone else has better input, or if I am wrong on any of this let me know. |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 17:56:05
and how does that apply to the topic of booster clubs?
BBman you meantion the standard fee, i am curious what the standard fee is in high school, was not aware of one
12u..also in that group is the kid who's mom is team mom for the the program or head of the booster club, no that didnt end in little league it still goes on.
Also most schools do not ask you to volunteer they tell you to and then tell you what your job is going to be. |
| silvercityjon |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 11:03:08
Jaguars18....We are a new Forsyth County based travel team 9 and under. We just completed two Fundraisers for the month of November and cleared a little over $2000.00. The first was a Wreath Sale Fundraiser that cleared $500.00. The second was the ESPN Magazine Fundraiser through the USSSA, we cleared $1500.00 with this one. Both of these were with little effort and we were blown away with what we cleared. I suggest the ESPN one to any team looking into a quick fundraiser. |
| 12uCoach |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 11:02:36
The extra players that drive you crazy from the stands can be put in two groups:
The ones that are there because they are legacy players (Well brother Bill was an All-American at State, so Chuckie only has to be half as good) or Mom/Dad/Grandpa puts in sweat equity that would make any of us fell inadequate. Neither has earned the spot from their play on the field, but Head Coach would hate to lose the worker or the possible reference for a College or Pro-Job.
As to the legacy player, I'm now hearing about this in college as well. Brother Bill is in the show so Chuckie is on the travel squad and get those extra innings just to keep Head Coach friendly with possible job/money.
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| bballman |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 10:10:28
I don't think HS's are allowed to keep a student from playing if they can't pay. It does happen. The ideal situation would be what 10BB is talking about. I would say that is pretty much what happens with BB players.
Football is very bad at our school. I have heard that upwards of 60% of the football players don't pay the standard fee. What makes those parents mad is that those are also the parents who don't volunteer. Usually, it is the parents who pay all the fees who wind up doing all the volunteering.
I have not seen this so much in baseball. At least I have not heard a lot of complaints about it. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 09:22:21
743; Thats my son your talking about. I can't afford to pay thats why he does everything he can to make up that difference. If you are like me and can't spend all that money then your child better make every fundraiser. He better go out and try to get as many donations for the team as he can. Every time field cleanups take place he better be there. You pay it in ethier money or hard work!! |
| 743 |
Posted - 12/10/2009 : 07:11:32
what do high schools do that have players who can't afford to pay anything and they do exist. If a child is good enough and wants to play he should be allowed whether he can afford a dime or not. Baseball used a be a sport anyone could afford now it isn't.
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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 12/09/2009 : 16:05:19
Momma had surgery......priceless. im saving up!!!!! |
| SMASH |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 16:17:40
I am a youth coach without kids of my own and I am sad to say I see a lot of this at the middle school ages. Parents and Boosters paying for playing time is definitely happening in my neck of the woods. Hopefully when these kids get to high school this will change. The most talented, hard-working kids deserve to be on the field not the ones with the daddy with deep pockets. |
| bballman |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 14:54:18
Personally, I have not seen it. The only thing I have seen is the players of all sports are given a fundraising item to sell. Usually X number of discount cards. For the football team, I know of a couple of JV players who could not play a game until they sold their cards. For the other sports that I know of, the kids had to turn in the money and unsold cards. No requirement to sell them all.
At our HS the fee to play is around $300. May go up to $375 this year, I forget. We have a dugout club for the baseball team, but I don't think there are any dues to pay, the officers just kind of organize the parents for volunteer work and help decide how the money is spent.
My son is just going into his sophmore season, but I did not see any of the "pay to play" issues last year. I think you will usually hear this from the parents of the kids who are borderline any way. Not to offend anyone. My son was a starting pitcher for varsity last year. We didn't pay anything other than the standard fee. Didn't recruit any sponsors or bring any money in at all. I think most coaches just want to win. There may be exceptions, but most will not be swayed by the financial end. |
| 12uCoach |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 14:35:45
Most High School's carry 15-22 players on the Varsity, and that many on the JV. Players 1-8 are starting position players, 9-12 are your 4 (hopefully) starting pitchers. What the coach does after that has some, but not a lot of effect on the season. Those are your middle relievers, bullpen catchers, closers, courtesy runners bats off the bench. Players 17-22 are the ones where money talks, or influence talks, or Momma had surgery.
Please do no idolize your High School coaches. Treat them like any other travel coach you may be looking at, the big difference is that unless you move, you are stuck with them. |
| Reggie |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 13:52:32
Not the hole teamm just 1 or 2 spots, aint gonna hurt your team, every team needs a few players like that anyway. |
| PS Iron Pigs |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 10:20:07
are you saying that players are actually getting roster spots based on fundraising instead of ability? What's the job expectancy for these coaches? I couldn't imagine wanting that position. It would be sort of like coaching for the Raiders! Not much control of your team but still expected to produce a winning season. |
| football |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 10:13:15
dont know about that the school that i am from alot of kids got playing time from parents in the booster club raising alot of money, which wasnt right at all, but thats life. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 09:54:50
Teddy41;
My son is on the HS baseball team and I have found it to be the best thing for him to be a part of the booster club. He works all the fundraisers and all of the field day stuff when work is needed. Im not trying to play baseball and I think it should be up to him not me or how much will I pay to buy him a spot. Keeping this in mind it teaches him how hard it is to be a part of his team and he appreciates what HE has earned instead of what his dad has arranged. |
| Reggie |
Posted - 12/08/2009 : 07:36:04
Playing time wont be determined by how much money a player can raise but it might get him that last 2 or 3 spots on the team. But like Mike Corbin said all depnds on the school and coach. |
| Mike Corbin |
Posted - 12/07/2009 : 21:44:27
It probably would depend on the school. Many schools have an extensive fund raising program, and some just do enough to get by. |
