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| catmando |
Posted - 04/21/2017 : 08:49:49
is it more profitable to have rain outs and not play the full schedule or in the long run is it better to have them run? Seems we have lost both money and games due to rain outs this year. When you pay in advance you really are at mercy of parks or directors |
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| oneZone |
Posted - 05/31/2017 : 10:13:28
Any tourney director who actually wants a rain-out is stupid and short-sighted. Whatever immediate increase in profit margin it may provide would eventually be erased in the long run if they keep having rain-outs. As the letter from TL above says, it's really a no-win situation for them. In contrast, go read the "hats off to Triple Crown" post from earlier. If a tourney director can actually go above and beyond to avoid a rain-out, against all odds, that will quickly accrue to their reputation and eventually their bottom line. |
| baseball713 |
Posted - 05/31/2017 : 08:30:35
Training Legends posted this in their FB page for cancelling this past Sunday:
Dear Coaches and Families,
We are disappointed that we had to cancel the tournament today and did not make that decision lightly. At 7:30am, we were told that at least half of our fields were unplayable for the entire day. Those decisions are made by field crews that have the sole authority to make those decisions. At that point, we were looking at a best case scenario of playing less than 25% of the games today. Deciding what divisions or what teams get to play in that scenario is impossible. Most teams weren’t going to play today, so we were in a no win situation.
At the end of the day, we haven’t created this tournament to make money. This tournament has and always will be a fundraiser for baseball players. Every dollar of profit goes back to boys playing baseball. That is why we’ve continued to offer a 4-game guarantee when every other tournament offers 3 games. That is also why we took a team gate fee instead of taking actual gate fees Thu-Sun like most tournaments do. That is also why we award some of the best trophies/rings of any all star tournament out there and award them to over 35% of the teams who play in our tournament. Our whole desire is to create a tournament experience that the players, coaches, and families enjoy.
Ultimately the decision we made this morning was not a popular one. As coaches ourselves, we completely understand your frustration. We’ve all gotten cancelled on many times with no real explanation or understanding why. In this case, we made the best decision with the information at hand. This was in no way financially motivated. In fact, to show you that, we are going to provide every team that participated in this tournament a $50 refund. Suffice it to say, that all of the money we “made” by not playing today is being refunded back to you all.
Our partner, Training Legends, powers the tournament with their technology. Their philosophy is that if they can keep rec park programs strong, more kids will stick with baseball long into their childhood. Baseball imparts so many life lessons, and they hate to see any games cancelled, especially rec park tournaments that benefit the youth programs. Training Legends final two tournaments Georgia State All Star and the World Series are great culminating tournaments, and they are offering $50 discounts to either tournament if a team that got rained out of this weekend chooses to play with them.
Training Legends will help us process $50 echecks to each team. They will be in touch with you over the next day or so to get all of them issued properly.
We hope you enjoyed the 3 days we did get to play in this tournament and truly want you to come back again next year. We have never cancelled a single game in this tournament in the last 5 years before today, and we will work to make that a reality again next year and into the future. Thanks.
Hobgood Tournament Staff
Kennesaw Tournament Staff
Training Legends Staff |
| SouthForsythGiants9u |
Posted - 05/29/2017 : 22:26:13
Profit for concessions usually belongs to host park or booster club |
| baseball713 |
Posted - 05/29/2017 : 08:17:27
I've heard that concessions is one of the biggest revenue source. I know that to be the case when we hosted our own tournament back in the all star days. The profit from concessions is more than the profit from money saved with games being cancelled. So I doubt the organizers wouldn't have tried hard to get the games in on Sundays. |
| whits23 |
Posted - 05/28/2017 : 19:23:11
I think having monday available helped. I also do not think anyone got too much rain as no tournaments cancelled. Seems the debate is not do they try but why not refund something if they can not. What makes it hard is using so many parks and if any of them cancel it jams the entire field. Most fields are at the field persons discretion not TC IE if your using High Schools etc. |
| bfriendly |
Posted - 05/28/2017 : 09:23:21
So this AM I wake at 4ish to see a big Red Blob heading our way on the Radar.
At 6AM TC posted a Delay, not a cancel which they surely could have. Rescheduling started and by 7AM a new schedule was posted.
I just want to give them props for Trying to get this in...........maybe they are just trying to complete Pool play and would have bailed if it were Bracket play. But I dont think so, I think they love baseball as much as any of us parents and they want us to play.
Thanks for trying Triple Crown! (Thumbs up icon goes here)
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| bfriendly |
Posted - 05/25/2017 : 09:27:53
I dint think Anyone enjoys a rainout......but I do agree that a postponement/delay may have been appropriate in some cases.
I personally have been on a field getting my shoes muddy and helping get fields ready........I think it was a few years ago and there were 2 guys trying to get 4 fields ready, with rakes.
I truly believe an organization that cancels at the first sight of rain drops wont last long..........and they shouldn't |
| turntwo |
Posted - 05/23/2017 : 20:07:39
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by oldschool22
And my biggest point was that our venue, and presumably some others, became perfectly playable by noon without any attention. Had there been an observance that the forecast was wrong and that the storm was over, I believe a number of tournaments could have resumed. But there was apparently zero effort to do so...and the absence of financial incentive likely played a role in the decisions to just shut down and call it a very profitable weekend.
By noon? My patio furniture didn't even dry out by 2pm. It stopped raining around 10:30am, why do I know, because I was desperately trying to throw an 8 year old birthday party, outside. Yes it got warm, yes things started to dry out, but zero attention and the field fixed itself in an hour and a half, even in the shady areas?
B-O-L-O-G-N-A
The directors want to have you play baseball, and many of them work hard to make it happen. I wish people would quit seeing some master evil genius plan to mess with youth baseball and screw everyone out of money. It rained a LOT, that's it, end of story.
I don't know what dream world you live in, but I've personally be a part of two (completely opposite) perspectives.....
Played in tourneys where it was raining so hard, you couldn't see the pitch thrown but the director would NOT allow suspension of play. Both coaches pulled the teams off the field and once the rain let up, there were bags and bags of quick dri put out (eating into profits. This was in POOL play. Director willing to do whatever it took to make the tourney. Profits be ****ed.
Other tourneys, and more 'common', the least bit of moisture and they will call it-- especially on Sunday. Why buy quick dri and cut into the profit? The refund policy is null and void. 2 games = $0/0% refund. Save on fields (not always-- some are rented by the weekend, rain or shine), save on umps-- YEP.
Also, sometimes It's not the directors but the PARKS that call the games. Jeff Casteel (USSSA- W GA) may have his guys ready to prep fields and have field dri on hand, only to be told by Douglas or Pauldo g Co, nope, fields are closed. Same with Tony and T/C, he and his crew may be willing to do anything g to have games play in Forsyth Co or ECB but if those who actually control the parks say "NO", Tony is at their mercy.
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| jaguars18 |
Posted - 05/23/2017 : 19:45:08
If they can not play that is fine but why no refunds of any sort. They make a boat load on rainouts. Get it BOAT LOL. Not sure why that is hard to see or admit. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/23/2017 : 14:31:41
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Originally posted by oldschool22
And my biggest point was that our venue, and presumably some others, became perfectly playable by noon without any attention. Had there been an observance that the forecast was wrong and that the storm was over, I believe a number of tournaments could have resumed. But there was apparently zero effort to do so...and the absence of financial incentive likely played a role in the decisions to just shut down and call it a very profitable weekend.
By noon? My patio furniture didn't even dry out by 2pm. It stopped raining around 10:30am, why do I know, because I was desperately trying to throw an 8 year old birthday party, outside. Yes it got warm, yes things started to dry out, but zero attention and the field fixed itself in an hour and a half, even in the shady areas?
B-O-L-O-G-N-A
The directors want to have you play baseball, and many of them work hard to make it happen. I wish people would quit seeing some master evil genius plan to mess with youth baseball and screw everyone out of money. It rained a LOT, that's it, end of story. |
| oldschool22 |
Posted - 05/23/2017 : 11:11:01
And my biggest point was that our venue, and presumably some others, became perfectly playable by noon without any attention. Had there been an observance that the forecast was wrong and that the storm was over, I believe a number of tournaments could have resumed. But there was apparently zero effort to do so...and the absence of financial incentive likely played a role in the decisions to just shut down and call it a very profitable weekend. |
| jbarley |
Posted - 05/22/2017 : 18:37:31
My biggest point is add up all the bracket games not played each week and cost of field and umps and all that is profit in the pocket. business is better with rainouts. Plus gate fee collected in advance. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 05/22/2017 : 07:31:57
Did no one else see about the 3 inches of rain that fell? Yes, it cleared up by noonish but that is still a heck of a lot of water to clear up on dirt fields and not much can be done about the swamps in the outfields. |
| jbarley |
Posted - 05/21/2017 : 19:29:42
Agree even if you can not finish get some more games in. I know if gate was not bad they would have been working hard to get you in the gate.
Why is it no gate refund when gate is for a weekend? Of course when they cancel about 50 or more total games its a lot of extra money to go around the office on monday |
| oldschool22 |
Posted - 05/21/2017 : 12:14:10
Many fields would be playable today with some caretaking as most of the rain has pushed through. But since all fees are paid and everyone got their two games, there doesn't seem to be much incentive to complete events. |
| jbarley |
Posted - 05/21/2017 : 09:20:28
Anyone want to add up how many umps they won't pay or fields wont rent today?? Straight cash homey |
| Falco07 |
Posted - 04/24/2017 : 12:04:50
Let's hope the tournament directors save any extra money from total rain-out days for those wet days when more effort (and money) is needed to prepare fields using drying agent(s). As was stated, can't control the weather - but you can choose tournaments that have a history of trying to get games in when possible. |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 04/24/2017 : 10:12:23
The days of pulling out are over as you pay n advance and often including gate,
When there is no refund after 2 games as most do it is just hard to justify not giving some refund? Yes directors work during week to set up events but kids,coaches and parents do to, Not sure any solution or answer other than just build it into budget as event directors are a business and are not going to change any policy they have in place, no field rentals or ump cost on a large field event is a huge profit I would assume,
Most field rentals are per game as are umps so there you go |
| SuperStar |
Posted - 04/24/2017 : 09:41:13
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Originally posted by 1gamer1
There is deffinately profit, but can anyone really predict mother nature? How many times have you heard that rain is coming and then no rain shows up. Imagine what people would say if they start cancelling tournaments based on a weather. Every weekend indicates 10% rain. As a team, you take the chances by attending. I would say pull out if it is a problem. I am a parent and understand the frustrations. Especially if we win both games on Saturday. Not to mention we are out of state player.
Spot on..., |
| 1gamer1 |
Posted - 04/24/2017 : 07:16:37
There is deffinately profit, but can anyone really predict mother nature? How many times have you heard that rain is coming and then no rain shows up. Imagine what people would say if they start cancelling tournaments based on a weather. Every weekend indicates 10% rain. As a team, you take the chances by attending. I would say pull out if it is a problem. I am a parent and understand the frustrations. Especially if we win both games on Saturday. Not to mention we are out of state player. |
| catmando |
Posted - 04/21/2017 : 15:24:57
I know you can never predict but should they even start tournaments they know they have no chance of playing?? |
