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| Punishers |
Posted - 02/24/2017 : 06:23:04
I will try to do these once a month in the future:
Situation: A batter is at bat against a pitcher throwing gas.
Batting is more than just getting in any position in the box and swinging. Where a batter is placed in the box affects what the pitcher throws and the probability + or - that the hitter will make contact.
Methods: (understanding plate approach)
1. The hitter can be placed in the front of the box, up on the plate and short swing if quick enough. You do not want the extend as that would put the sweet spot of the bat over the plate and out of the strike zone.
This technique requires the batter to be very quick as the pitcher is providing all the exit velocity needed and the distance is cut by 2ft.
2. The hitter can place themselves in the back of the box towards the catcher if using a normal swing to increase chances of hitting the pitch.
This technique is simple. All the batter is doing is adding 2ft distance to allow more reaction time to turn on a strike. Also gives the batter a better view of determining a ball or strike since the plate will be in front of stride foot.
Method 2 is preferred and has been used for decades. Common sense should tell you not to move closer to a fast moving object coming your way unless you are 1000% sure of your reaction time.
Also, if your batting coach/trainer is not teaching plate approach, find one that does.
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| Punishers |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 18:24:33
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Originally posted by 743
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Originally posted by Punishers
Granted, it's not for every batter to move around if they have the quickness. This may not be taught at the youth or high school level. It is definitely taught at the higher levels.
A great example is when Davis hit a HR off Chapman in the Gm 6 of the WS. He was back in the box and choked up on his bat. 1 ft closer the distance adds 3 to 5 mph to the batters eyes.
You said he was back in the box but then said you assumed he was? So you do not know for sure he moved back in the box? Enlarged video below and you decide was he back in the box or normal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xqUvsaBNw
From what I saw looking at multiple videos looks like he started in the back of the box from that at bat. I also have to keep in mind that these are big guys with a wide foot print. Can not really see how big the box was, but he was leaned back towards the catcher and not in his normal position from looking at vids when facing other pitchers. |
| Bombernation |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 13:54:52
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Originally posted by oneZone
I have a related tip -- only really applies to Tee-ball, though:
You can literally pick kids up and move them around in the batter's box to try to get them to hit it past the weak spots in the defense. What? Third baseman's on his knees picking individual blades of grass and carefully inspecting each one before placing them in his glove, which is no longer on his hand? Bam -- you're going down the line with this one, Jimmy! Wait, seriously? That second baseman's still looking into the stands waving at his Nanna and Papa while they try to figure out how to take his pic with the hand-me-down iPhone his Mommy gave them earlier this week? Boom -- you're burning this one right by him, Bobby!
Oh, and if you're thinking of giving me a hard time about my credentials, forget it: I'm drawing on two full years of Tee-ball coaching experience/domination here, so I know what I'm talking about.
Hey, listen up Zone- We ALL have to make adjustments from time to time. My Post Mercy Rule Team-Snack game only gets real when I switch from Cheezit's to Nutterbutters, and Capri Sun every other Saturday game.
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| oneZone |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 12:45:49
I have a related tip -- only really applies to Tee-ball, though:
You can literally pick kids up and move them around in the batter's box to try to get them to hit it past the weak spots in the defense. What? Third baseman's on his knees picking individual blades of grass and carefully inspecting each one before placing them in his glove, which is no longer on his hand? Bam -- you're going down the line with this one, Jimmy! Wait, seriously? That second baseman's still looking into the stands waving at his Nanna and Papa while they try to figure out how to take his pic with the hand-me-down iPhone his Mommy gave them earlier this week? Boom -- you're burning this one right by him, Bobby!
Oh, and if you're thinking of giving me a hard time about my credentials, forget it: I'm drawing on two full years of Tee-ball coaching experience/domination here, so I know what I'm talking about.
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| bama21 |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 12:15:01
MLB players are probably not the best example of players moving in the box, although some certainly do. They don't have to move because the strike zone is very small for them.
My son moves according to the pitcher or the umpire, mostly the umpire. You cannot stay in your "comfortable spot" in the box when strikes are being called a foot outside, you have to make an adjustment.
Also, I assume those of you that don't recommend moving are saying that your player does not have to move because they are a "gifted" athlete, well if they are that gifted, then they would not have any problem moving in the box and still performing. You may want to have them try it, you may be surprised. |
| 743 |
Posted - 02/28/2017 : 10:09:16
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Originally posted by Punishers
Granted, it's not for every batter to move around if they have the quickness. This may not be taught at the youth or high school level. It is definitely taught at the higher levels.
A great example is when Davis hit a HR off Chapman in the Gm 6 of the WS. He was back in the box and choked up on his bat. 1 ft closer the distance adds 3 to 5 mph to the batters eyes.
You said he was back in the box but then said you assumed he was? So you do not know for sure he moved back in the box? Enlarged video below and you decide was he back in the box or normal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6xqUvsaBNw |
| Punishers |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 18:46:04
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Originally posted by Hurricane
I can not find any proof Davis moved back in the box in the Game 7 HR although you can see him choke up.
I would have to see a side view to know for sure but can't find one and compare it to his other ABs.
GM 7. (mistype)
Knowing that he was facing someone like Chapman, he most likely started back in the box. I would.
I like most I used the think staying in the same spot it until I got to college where the hitting coaches explained their job was to place each batter in the best position to hit the ball and not stay in the same spot and get the same results. |
| jbarley |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 14:47:53
an outside pitch still have to be a strike so why would you change your stance..you wait and let it get deep and go opp field.
guys act like with 2 strikes your supposed to swing at balls out of zone?? |
| Around_the_Horn |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 14:28:21
I am not siding with either side on this topic, but here is what the hit leader of all time says about this topic.
https://youtu.be/Yae1KxRSq0g
Every hitter/player is different. Each needs to find what works for them. What works for one may not work for the other. |
| Hurricane |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 13:12:50
I can not find any proof Davis moved back in the box in the Game 7 HR although you can see him choke up.
I would have to see a side view to know for sure but can't find one and compare it to his other ABs. |
| Hurricane |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 12:53:55
No I would not move in with 2 strikes, I would be able to reach that pitch with a 0-0 count because they is probably the most popular pitch in baseball anyway.
Tony Gwynn mentions that here in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJBa2mTNoTA
2:30 mark |
| Punishers |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 11:05:07
Granted, it's not for every batter to move around if they have the quickness. This may not be taught at the youth or high school level. It is definitely taught at the higher levels.
A great example is when Davis hit a HR off Chapman in the Gm 6 of the WS. He was back in the box and choked up on his bat. 1 ft closer the distance adds 3 to 5 mph to the batters eyes.
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| bsblfan |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 10:27:54
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Originally posted by Hurricane
My theory is a batter stays in the same place he always stands, I am not going to change where I stand because of the pitcher. I practice at this distance over and over why would I change it now. If I can't adjust to gas I am not going to play very high level of baseball anyway and math guys out there can tell us what the difference in speed is by standing 6 inches further away?
You don't move in with two strikes in anticipation of the outside pitch? |
| Hurricane |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 09:56:17
My theory is a batter stays in the same place he always stands, I am not going to change where I stand because of the pitcher. I practice at this distance over and over why would I change it now. If I can't adjust to gas I am not going to play very high level of baseball anyway and math guys out there can tell us what the difference in speed is by standing 6 inches further away?
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| DecaturDad |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 09:32:50
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Originally posted by jbarley
lot of nonsense in this moving around...see gas hit gas see slow wait and hit hard
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| jbarley |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 07:54:34
lot of nonsense in this moving around...see gas hit gas see slow wait and hit hard |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 02/27/2017 : 07:35:42
My son said the faster the pitcher the more he moves his toes to point inward, but he doesn't move where he is standing. |
| bsblfan |
Posted - 02/26/2017 : 22:26:15
Pete Rose said he moved around a lot in the box. https://youtu.be/Yae1KxRSq0g |
| Punishers |
Posted - 02/26/2017 : 21:18:49
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
And I thought this post was going to tell me what to do about the gas caused by the ball park hot dogs.
I just asked my son if he moves in the box based on the pitcher. And no, he doesn't. Interestingly side note though: He will move based on the umpire. If the umpire is calling low strikes, he will move up to give him a better chance to hit it before it bounces in the dirt.
ROLAIDS!!
It's still pate approach. You can move according to what the umpire calls too.
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| Punishers |
Posted - 02/26/2017 : 21:16:13
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
And I thought this post was going to tell me what to do about the gas caused by the ball park hot dogs.
I just asked my son if he moves in the box based on the pitcher. And no, he doesn't. Interestingly side note though: He will move based on the umpire. If the umpire is calling low strikes, he will move up to give him a better chance to hit it before it bounces in the dirt.
It's still pate approach. You can move according to what the umpire calls too. |
| DecaturDad |
Posted - 02/26/2017 : 17:57:39
And I thought this post was going to tell me what to do about the gas caused by the ball park hot dogs.
I just asked my son if he moves in the box based on the pitcher. And no, he doesn't. Interestingly side note though: He will move based on the umpire. If the umpire is calling low strikes, he will move up to give him a better chance to hit it before it bounces in the dirt. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 02/26/2017 : 00:34:01
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Originally posted by Bombernation
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Originally posted by Punishers
[quote]Originally posted by jbarley
shouldn't you post your credentials as a board dad since so many threads deal with fake resume's? Can you be specific on your training LOL
My feeling is no good batter moves in the box..they have a set place they stand. Not sure i see miggy or trout dancing back and forth in a box
Take a look at my first and initial posts. Led D1 power 100 school in BA and OBP 4 years in a row, 2nd in steals for 2 years (hard to beat the guy running track). Played overseas for 2 years and 2 AAA. Coached and trained for over 17 years, still training (for free). Scouted for MLB team for 8 years.
Can't release all my details: Currently under audit.
I am 100% positive they adjust where they sit in the box. One of the first things my college hitting coach (who played and trained MLB players) taught. You just do not see it on TV. Plus, I got science to prove it. Unless you think having 80 degree weather in February is normal in North GA.
Man! I thought you were sketchy when you said you were training a 10 year old to throw 65 mph. Now you are literally drilling my point home, free of charge.
We don't need training lessons or tips here. We are discussing the peripherals of the local youth baseball community.
Just stop it.
And this coming from someone who asked for a link to PG! The 10 year old was throwing that speed before i started working with him. My job was to help him with command and control. Think what you want, but you are the one trying to get your kid to where I have already been. |
| Bombernation |
Posted - 02/25/2017 : 19:48:06
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Originally posted by Punishers
[quote]Originally posted by jbarley
shouldn't you post your credentials as a board dad since so many threads deal with fake resume's? Can you be specific on your training LOL
My feeling is no good batter moves in the box..they have a set place they stand. Not sure i see miggy or trout dancing back and forth in a box
Take a look at my first and initial posts. Led D1 power 100 school in BA and OBP 4 years in a row, 2nd in steals for 2 years (hard to beat the guy running track). Played overseas for 2 years and 2 AAA. Coached and trained for over 17 years, still training (for free). Scouted for MLB team for 8 years.
Can't release all my details: Currently under audit.
I am 100% positive they adjust where they sit in the box. One of the first things my college hitting coach (who played and trained MLB players) taught. You just do not see it on TV. Plus, I got science to prove it. Unless you think having 80 degree weather in February is normal in North GA.
Man! I thought you were sketchy when you said you were training a 10 year old to throw 65 mph. Now you are literally drilling my point home, free of charge.
We don't need training lessons or tips here. We are discussing the peripherals of the local youth baseball community.
Just stop it. |
| whits23 |
Posted - 02/25/2017 : 19:04:24
fake news |
| Punishers |
Posted - 02/25/2017 : 15:50:39
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Originally posted by jbarley
shouldn't you post your credentials as a board dad since so many threads deal with fake resume's? Can you be specific on your training LOL
My feeling is no good batter moves in the box..they have a set place they stand. Not sure i see miggy or trout dancing back and forth in a box
Take a look at my first and initial posts. Led D1 power 100 school in BA and OBP 4 years in a row, 2nd in steals for 2 years (hard to beat the guy running track). Played overseas for 2 years and 2 AAA. Coached and trained for over 17 years, still training (for free). Scouted for MLB team for 8 years.
Can't release all my details: Currently under audit.
I am 100% positive they adjust where they sit in the box. One of the first things my college hitting coach (who played and trained MLB players) taught. You just do not see it on TV. Plus, I got science to prove it. Unless you think having 80 degree weather in February is normal in North GA.
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| Punishers |
Posted - 02/25/2017 : 15:47:36
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by Punishers
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Originally posted by jbarley
shouldn't you post your credentials as a board dad since so many threads deal with fake resume's? Can you be specific on your training LOL
My feeling is no good batter moves in the box..they have a set place they stand. Not sure i see miggy or trout dancing back and forth in a box
Take a look at my first and initial posts. Led D1 power 100 school in BA and OBP 4 years in a row, 2nd in steals for 2 years (hard to beat the guy running track). Played overseas for 2 years and 2 AAA. Coached and trained for over 17 years, still training (for free). Scouted for MLB team for 8 years.
Can't release all my details: Currently under audit.
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