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| Infinity |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 10:31:43
One of the other forums I frequent occasionally has a "Friday - post a hot chick" thread......I don't think that would fly here so I'm starting a Friday - Post a baseball related fun fact" thread. Enjoy.
In Division 1 Baseball, a team is allowed 11.7 scholarships per team. A team can have no more than 35 players in which a total max of 27 can be on full or partial scholarship.
In women's Crew, they are allowed 20 full scholarships. This is an amazing amount when you consider that there is no such thing as a high school crew/rowing team!
The University of Iowa filled their spots on the crew team the first season by milling around the freshman/new student enrollment class.
When an athletic looking female was spotted she was pulled over to a table and asked if she would like to be on the rowing team. Most responded by asking, "what is crew?" It was then explained that a full athletic scholarship was a part of the deal! It did not take long to find 20 new members of the Iowa crew team.
As a footnote, when crew was added as a women's sport at Iowa,they had to build a lake to hold the venue.
The letters NCAA stands for "No Clue About Anything". That's not actually a fact but just an opinion. |
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| jscoda |
Posted - 09/22/2009 : 07:01:47
Everyone is differnt. Our initial goals were to give our kids the opportunity to play on a higher level with hopes of playing college ball or even more. Now that my oldest is just that, older....I have become wiser also. New goals are much more realistic and simplier.
My goals. Stay phyiscally fit. Learn disclipine and teamwork and how to work toward goals. Keep them from hanging out where they should not be hanging out. Put them around other peers with good habits on and off the field. Have fun.
Most important...staying away from drugs, teen pregnancy, and other things that could ruin their future.
His goals. Have fun and play baseball.
I would feel accomplished if they just graduated from college and had a good chance at being happy, well rounded adults even if I have to pay for their education.
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Originally posted by biged
A lot of us would agree that playing travel baseball for the sole purpose of getting a scholarship is a poor investment, even if your child is one of the fortunate ones who go on to play college ball, these little scholarships don't pay for much. So, the question is, "Why do we do it?" Are we holding out hope that our kid will be the one who makes it to the next level, ie college and then on to the pros? Is this what our kids want or is it something us "dads" want? I am as guilty as the next and I am at a cross roads myself as the first of several payments is due at the end of the month.
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| jscoda |
Posted - 09/22/2009 : 06:53:00
Thanks for the stats. Seems the scholarships are paying off for the athletes (men and women). I am glad to see so many athletes finish school.
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Originally posted by southpawmom
For jscoda - Below is the link to the graduation success rates (GSR) as published by the NCAA. Slide 14 shows a graph with the graduation rates for male athletes, all male students, female athletes and all female students. In 2001, the GSR for male student athletes was 56% and all male students was 59%. Female athletes graduated at 71% versus all female students at 64%.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/f5e930004e0dafdfa740f71ad6fc8b25/2008_d1_summary.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=f5e930004e0dafdfa740f71ad6fc8b25
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| lottapop |
Posted - 09/21/2009 : 15:19:39
Travel ball is what it is. It may not get you a college scholarship but it will teach you a lot about the game of baseball which can only benefit a player if they happen to make it to the next level. |
| biged |
Posted - 09/21/2009 : 12:59:19
A lot of us would agree that playing travel baseball for the sole purpose of getting a scholarship is a poor investment, even if your child is one of the fortunate ones who go on to play college ball, these little scholarships don't pay for much. So, the question is, "Why do we do it?" Are we holding out hope that our kid will be the one who makes it to the next level, ie college and then on to the pros? Is this what our kids want or is it something us "dads" want? I am as guilty as the next and I am at a cross roads myself as the first of several payments is due at the end of the month. |
| southpawmom |
Posted - 09/21/2009 : 11:21:34
For jscoda - Below is the link to the graduation success rates (GSR) as published by the NCAA. Slide 14 shows a graph with the graduation rates for male athletes, all male students, female athletes and all female students. In 2001, the GSR for male student athletes was 56% and all male students was 59%. Female athletes graduated at 71% versus all female students at 64%.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/f5e930004e0dafdfa740f71ad6fc8b25/2008_d1_summary.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=f5e930004e0dafdfa740f71ad6fc8b25
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| gabandit |
Posted - 09/21/2009 : 11:13:38
The best ticket to a college scholarship for baseball is to be good academically. There are a lot of academic scholarships that go unused each year. The better baseball D1 coaches will recruit players that are good students and help them to get an academic scholarship, freeing their 11.7 scholarships for those that can't qualify for an academic scholarship. So practice your swing, but hit the books just as hard!! |
| BREAMKING |
Posted - 09/21/2009 : 09:52:08
biged has hit it right on the head. Baseball scholarship is a joke. It still cost you lots of money. With the money being spent on travel ball you could pay for a childs education. |
| lottapop |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 22:42:52
Better yet.....How many scholarship athletes are actually starters for their teams???????
i]Originally posted by jscoda[/i]
I wonder what the graduation percentages are for both men and women scholarship athletes?
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| jscoda |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 18:47:13
I wonder what the graduation percentages are for both men and women scholarship athletes? |
| whits23 |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 16:14:00
maybe sports should not be male or female..just athletes. That way the best athlete gets the scholorship |
| biged |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 14:55:47
Is a scholarship really that important? Travel ball cost upward of 2,000 a yr. Not to mention out of town trips. If a child starts playing travel ball at 9, that would be 22,000 spent. If a parent were to put this money into a conservative interest baring account that money could easily exceed 50,000 dollars. Hello, there is your scholarship! |
| Mike Corbin |
Posted - 09/20/2009 : 11:29:56
Lets all remember that even though the NCAA allows those scholarships,it does not mean that the school offers those programs.
My daughter goes to SMU in Dallas, TX and they do not have a baseball team at all!
My son is going to Samford over in Birmingham and they just became a fully funded (11.7 scholarships) baseball team last year. Furman up in Greenville only gives 8 scholarships because that is all that the school gives them for their team.
I tell everyone I know with a daughter to get them involved in some type of sport. If they can get half way decent in golf they can get a fullride somewhere while my son only gets a partial because of that fact! |
| bballman |
Posted - 09/19/2009 : 23:02:03
I'm sure it's great if you have a daughter. I just wonder how many girls are going to college on a scholarship for a sport they never played while an untold number of men have to give up their dream they have been working their whole lives to achieve. Come on, 20 rowing scholarships, 18 for ice hockey, 10 for handball? How many women have spent most of their lives working to be the best they can be in these sports? I'm sure there are some, but I'm sure many, many more are doing them for the first time on a college scholarship. I think it is about title 9. You could say that the men who don't get the scholly's due to these women's programs are being discriminated against. |
| 12uCoach |
Posted - 09/19/2009 : 16:28:40
Title IX - No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance
Title IV is Financial Aid |
| southpawmom |
Posted - 09/19/2009 : 13:38:17
NCAA Scholarship Limits
2008-2009 Total Annual Scholarship Limits
http://www.educationplanner.com/education_planner/paying_article.asp?sponsor=2859&articleName=NCAA_Scholarship_Limits
Ever wonder how many scholarships a college/university is permitted to give out? Not all scholarships are full scholarships, so sometimes scholarships will be split up. Here are the 2008-2009 total annual scholarship limits mandated by the NCAA for Division I athletic programs:
Men
Baseball 11.7
Basketball 13
Cross Country/Track and Field 12.6
Fencing 4.5
Football (Division I-A) 85
Football (Division I-AA) 63
Golf 4.5
Gymnastics 6.3
Ice Hockey 18
Lacrosse 12.6
Rifle 3.6
Skiing 6.3
Soccer 9.9
Swimming and Diving 9.9
Tennis 4.5
Volleyball 4.5
Water Polo 4.5
Wrestling 9.9
Total 284.3
Women
Archery 5
Badminton 6
Basketball 15
Bowling 5
Cross Country/Track and Field 18
Equestrian 15
Fencing 5
Field Hockey 12
Golf 6
Gymnastics 12
Ice Hockey 18
Lacrosse 12
Rowing 20
Rugby 12
Skiing 7
Soccer 14
Softball 12
Squash 12
Swimming and Diving 14
Synchronized Swimming 5
Team Handball 10
Tennis 8
Volleyball 12
Water Polo 8
Total 263
For the record, I don't like the 11.7 for baseball either. Perhaps the football team would distribute some of their schollys for the other men's sports. Please don't blame the 11.7 on Title IX. With the exception of Alter, my guess is you gentleman don't have a daughter, sister or mother who play sports and either went to college with an athletic scholarship or has the potential to attend college for athletics.
Not sure how "this" points to Title IX when DI men have 284.3 athletic scholarships and DI women have 263.
To answer da's question - D2 is allowed 9 baseball scholarships. |
| Mike Corbin |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 21:55:02
to add another tid bit here. The minimum scholarship for baseball players now is 25%.
Also I believe that D 2,3 and NAIA don't offer athletic scholarships, only academic.
JUCO schools do still give athletic scholarships. But are not limited on how many roster spots they offer.
And you can point all of this at Title IV!!! |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 20:52:01
While I don't necessarily agree with the distribution, unless you have a daughter that plays sports, you won't appreciate Title IX.
I don't like the distribution between the number of football scholorships allowed, and the ones allowed in baseball. 11.7 is factual, and the latest rule change was to not allow any partial scholarship below 1/4 of a scholarship. Previously coaches could divide up the 11.7 into whatever parts they wanted. There were several players that would get $500 scholorships. Players wanted to be known as scholarship players, regardless of the amount, so this worked out for both parts. Now the coach cannot divide below 1/4 so they are even more limited. This is what drove Ron Polk out of coaching college baseball. |
| brownie1 |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 16:12:59
FYI - Darlington School in Rome, GA has a womens (& mens) crew/rowing team! |
| da97076 |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 15:26:24
I echo the comments about title IX. I went to school on a wrestling scholarship, but my school no longer offers wrestling or baseball what a shame! Are the other organizations j.c, div 2,3 and naia also limited to 11.7 scholarships? |
| bballman |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 14:35:06
Oh man, don't even get us started on the Title 9 issue. I know your thread is titled Fun Facts, but the Title 9 scholarship issue is a sore one. Not trying to be a downer, but that stuff like you are talking about really ticks me off. My younger son is a wrestler. Did you know that Georgia colleges and universities do not have wrestling programs due to Title 9? Can't offer scholarships due to things like the above example, so they dropped wrestling altogether. If he becomes good enough to wrestle in college, he will have to go to another state. |
| bambino_dad |
Posted - 09/18/2009 : 14:25:29
Ah, the excesses of Title IX. Don't know how true this is, I was once told by someone that college baseball scholarships are limited by a tacit agreement between the NCAA and MLB.
11.7 scholarships to 35 student athletes is strikingly ridiculous. It would seem to be in the best interests of the NCAA to offer more scholarships to baseball, but I think the elephant in the room may indeed be MLB, not Title IX. |
