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| PerfectGame |
Posted - 08/15/2016 : 16:26:35
Curious to know what most people consider "typical" fees for fall baseball for 13u and up. This would be for active fall teams (playing in several tournaments and regular workouts and practice).
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| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 08/24/2016 : 17:29:08
I agree nothing could be more fun regardless of if your kid makes it, as long as you can afford it. The minute you are spending their college money to traipse all over the country when they probably won't move on is when you need to be careful. |
| jbarley |
Posted - 08/24/2016 : 16:17:10
What are you talking about??..Every mid level to top team at 16 u and up travels the college circuit and does the wwba events and spends most of summer in hotels. Some take team buses and some have parents cart them around. Its a blast not a bad thing. Its your last great years as a parent watching your kid if he does not make it.
I was at South Carolina. Charleston Southern and UNCW all in a 4 week span this June. Then came July Perfect Game..Fort Myers. University of Tenn.
What a great time and yes darn expensive |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/24/2016 : 13:43:46
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Originally posted by jaguars18
Once you get to be 16 plan on spending almost every Thursday through Sunday in a hotel near a college somewhere.
Your hotel bills will be much more than your team dues if you make an elite team.
We played at i think 6 colleges or events between fort myers and east cobb last season. I think as a parent i paid for my son to be in a hotel about 16 to 20 nights. My other thread should be on tournaments who demand you use their hotels so they get a kick back or you pay a surcharge for the event.
Dang Jag, doesn't sound like fun! Have you thought about just sending him to local camps/showcases? Or at the very least getting a double points hotel credit card?  |
| sebaseball |
Posted - 08/23/2016 : 21:48:47
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My other thread should be on tournaments who demand you use their hotels so they get a kick back or you pay a surcharge for the event.
I hear ya! How in the H-E-Double L can PG require you to use "their" hotels and then only give you 4-5 options? With one of them being a step above a roach coach for $100/night? REALLY? You can't do just a little more work and get a slew of hotels signed on? It took me one Google search to come up with a dozen more hotel options than what PG was offering; and closer too. Dadgum pathetic! I saw where hotels are going up basically on-site, but I can only imagine what the freakin' rate on those rooms are gonna be.... |
| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 08/23/2016 : 21:03:16
I think the overall point here without splitting hairs...if you play on a professionally coached team, yes, it's a job for these guys and we pay the cost of their travel but it's minimal..they usually double up, stay in a pretty cheap place and buy their own food, at least that's been our experience. We only travel out of town for important events, every other weekend is most certainly not an all expense paid luxury trip. I don't know what the norm is, but our guys keep the cost down and we mainly play the big tourneys right here. I bet it gets $$ at 16 and up. At that point you probably need to do a reality check. If your kid isn't real likely to make it to the next level, then you may want to re-think if it's worth it. Unless of course you have a lot of disposable income or alot of hotel points. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/23/2016 : 07:57:23
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Originally posted by jaguars18
Girl i know what teams you have been on or most on this board and if you have NON DAD PAID COACHES your paying more than 700 per year.
Who do you think should pay for hotel, food and lodging? Lets say i am playing with We will say West Central Hurricanes..fake name and i am paid to coach and run the team.
We want to go play in a tournament at Fort Myers and another in lets say Cary NC who should pay for the coaches hotel, food and gas?
If you think the coach should pay his own way good luck. If you can get a hotel for $150 bucks for the weekend thursday through sunday good luck on that too.
I was talking for Fall with regard to the $700.
If each of the 15 kids pays $150 that is $2250 for the coach to stay in three locations, that does seem doable.
I didn't find it odd that a coach would get his hotel paid for, what I found odd was that a baseball coach could just say he wants to play in Charlotte, Orlando and Jekyll Island and poof that is what the team does and the parents are okay with all that expense, not just for the coach but for them. That easily adds an additional $1500 per kid to their yearly baseball expenses. Seems ridiculous considering all the baseball we have here for the youth ages. |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 08/22/2016 : 19:44:07
Girl i know what teams you have been on or most on this board and if you have NON DAD PAID COACHES your paying more than 700 per year.
Who do you think should pay for hotel, food and lodging? Lets say i am playing with We will say West Central Hurricanes..fake name and i am paid to coach and run the team.
We want to go play in a tournament at Fort Myers and another in lets say Cary NC who should pay for the coaches hotel, food and gas?
If you think the coach should pay his own way good luck. If you can get a hotel for $150 bucks for the weekend thursday through sunday good luck on that too. |
| SoxIn7 |
Posted - 08/22/2016 : 12:24:01
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
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Originally posted by SoxIn7
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Jag and Cat, my question was more along the lines of that this type of team sounds like a racket! So Coach X gets a team together and then says okay for tourneys and uniforms and park fees it would have been $700 per kid but since I have decided that the team needs to take weekend trips to Charlotte, Jekyll Island, and Orlando and you all have to pay for my hotel and food each kid now has to pay $1200 plus the cost of your families to get there and stay bringing your total to $2000.
People are just okay with this? The coach just gets to say he's taking a few vacations this year and the team pays for it....wow.....with the amount of solid baseball you can find in the area I have never run into this.
I think you are on the extreme on this one as it isn't how it works. I will use select soccer as a real life example. Two out of town tournaments that the team pitches in for food, lodging, etc. Other things that team pitches in for is rain insurance...this basically means if there is bad weather, we use an indoor soccer facility, available for the entire year. These are standard procedures in the soccer world and it adds $150 for the year.
Sorry, I did my math like every kid had to pay for the coach. So, if each kid had to pay $150 for the coach and then an additional $300-$500 per trip to cover each families cost of hotel, food, gas...etc. Does that sound right?
Yeah, just $150 per kid for the season in the example that I showed.... |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/22/2016 : 11:41:55
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Originally posted by SoxIn7
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Jag and Cat, my question was more along the lines of that this type of team sounds like a racket! So Coach X gets a team together and then says okay for tourneys and uniforms and park fees it would have been $700 per kid but since I have decided that the team needs to take weekend trips to Charlotte, Jekyll Island, and Orlando and you all have to pay for my hotel and food each kid now has to pay $1200 plus the cost of your families to get there and stay bringing your total to $2000.
People are just okay with this? The coach just gets to say he's taking a few vacations this year and the team pays for it....wow.....with the amount of solid baseball you can find in the area I have never run into this.
I think you are on the extreme on this one as it isn't how it works. I will use select soccer as a real life example. Two out of town tournaments that the team pitches in for food, lodging, etc. Other things that team pitches in for is rain insurance...this basically means if there is bad weather, we use an indoor soccer facility, available for the entire year. These are standard procedures in the soccer world and it adds $150 for the year.
Sorry, I did my math like every kid had to pay for the coach. So, if each kid had to pay $150 for the coach and then an additional $300-$500 per trip to cover each families cost of hotel, food, gas...etc. Does that sound right? |
| SoxIn7 |
Posted - 08/22/2016 : 10:18:52
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Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
Jag and Cat, my question was more along the lines of that this type of team sounds like a racket! So Coach X gets a team together and then says okay for tourneys and uniforms and park fees it would have been $700 per kid but since I have decided that the team needs to take weekend trips to Charlotte, Jekyll Island, and Orlando and you all have to pay for my hotel and food each kid now has to pay $1200 plus the cost of your families to get there and stay bringing your total to $2000.
People are just okay with this? The coach just gets to say he's taking a few vacations this year and the team pays for it....wow.....with the amount of solid baseball you can find in the area I have never run into this.
I think you are on the extreme on this one as it isn't how it works. I will use select soccer as a real life example. Two out of town tournaments that the team pitches in for food, lodging, etc. Other things that team pitches in for is rain insurance...this basically means if there is bad weather, we use an indoor soccer facility, available for the entire year. These are standard procedures in the soccer world and it adds $150 for the year. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/22/2016 : 07:50:27
Jag and Cat, my question was more along the lines of that this type of team sounds like a racket! So Coach X gets a team together and then says okay for tourneys and uniforms and park fees it would have been $700 per kid but since I have decided that the team needs to take weekend trips to Charlotte, Jekyll Island, and Orlando and you all have to pay for my hotel and food each kid now has to pay $1200 plus the cost of your families to get there and stay bringing your total to $2000.
People are just okay with this? The coach just gets to say he's taking a few vacations this year and the team pays for it....wow.....with the amount of solid baseball you can find in the area I have never run into this. |
| catmando |
Posted - 08/20/2016 : 13:44:56
Cocoa If you have coaches who pay for their own expenses including hotels let me know i want to hire them for my team.
I have never heard of coaches footing the bill for expenses but maybe they also coach for free all weekend too?
AS rewarding as it may be i do not think many consider going to a tournament and being away from their family all weekend on a hot dusty field is the vacation of choice. I am sure the wife would have a hard time looking at bank account and seeing those debits each month.
My wife is a cheer instructor and if i am told we have to pay for her hotel to events she will be resigning Monday. |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 08/20/2016 : 13:35:23
girl i thimk your trying to make it something it is not or confusing the 2 scenarios
All teams budgets have money for hotel, food. gas unless you think a coach is supposed to pay for all of that out of his pocket??
I think any non dad coach is not paying for his own trips to coach a team thus some budges are bigger. Ours include 3 out of town trips per year.IE anything over 2 hour drive.
Now my other point was when we were offered a spot on a team near ECB the way it worked was 300 per month to the academy. Then a team parent was in charge of collecting and paying for all events the facility agreed we would play.
So if entry avg was 400 dollars for 10 events it was 400 per person to cover events. The 300 included coaching at practices and weekends over a 7 month period for a roster of 17 kids at age 17
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/19/2016 : 09:09:23
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Originally posted by jaguars18
I think people also forget that some teams play out of town and then you have food, travel and lodging for coaches.
last year on 2 trips we had 2 coaches who we all had to cover hotel, food, lodging and coaching.
So total of 8 nights of hotels per trip (fri,sat} is about 1.5k right there out of budget not to mention food, and coaching fee.
I also know a program or two that you pay $300 per player per month to the academy and then all tournaments are paid for seperatly by the parents. So about 2400 in academy fee for 3 fall and 5 spring months
Wow Jaguars18, how does that even work? The coach says I want to go to *insert beach name here* next month for a triple crown tourney and the parents fork over the money for the coaches paid vacation? |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 08/18/2016 : 16:04:37
I think people also forget that some teams play out of town and then you have food, travel and lodging for coaches.
last year on 2 trips we had 2 coaches who we all had to cover hotel, food, lodging and coaching.
So total of 8 nights of hotels per trip (fri,sat} is about 1.5k right there out of budget not to mention food, and coaching fee.
I also know a program or two that you pay $300 per player per month to the academy and then all tournaments are paid for seperatly by the parents. So about 2400 in academy fee for 3 fall and 5 spring months |
| jaguars18 |
Posted - 08/18/2016 : 15:59:55
I would bet the year round teams paying less than 3500 either have dad coaches or do fundraising. Sometimes fundraising or holding tournaments does not figure in. Please let us know |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/18/2016 : 15:20:39
I think it boils down to where you want to play. Looking at 14/15u(2020) there are two PG events for Fall; WWBA Freshman = $750, Freshman "world" championship = $1000. TC, Fall Season opener = 14u ($595) 15u ($750; Fall GA frenzy is same price.
So lets say you wanted to play those 4 tourneys this fall, the entry fees are $2940 for 14u; $3250 for 15u.
Lets say 15 kids per team; 14u = $196; 15u = $217 for tourney entry fees.
Field rental for 2-3 times per week for September and October, do you go until November? how much is that? 2K? 5K? It depends on the condition of the field.
How much are uniforms? $100 per kid? $50 per kid? It depends what type you get.
How much does the coach/es get paid for 3 months? 2K? 5K? Volunteer or paid coaches?
You get what you pay for. You want a field you have to weed yourself and rake your own base paths and pretend you have actual bases...that is fairly cheap. You want to rent Lakepoint for your practices, you will pay out the nose. |
| lowandoutside |
Posted - 08/18/2016 : 07:28:20
15U - $4k. Fall - Winter, $1800 in 5 payments. Spring - Summer, $2200 in 6 payments. 2 paid coaches. 5-6 fall PG tournaments. Indoor facility in the winter. Spring - Summer schedule is all PG and TC. The cost of playing is going to go higher the more PG tournaments you play. Rumor has it, PG tournaments that were $2k - $3k last year will be $4k - $5k this year. |
| Ryno23 |
Posted - 08/18/2016 : 06:42:52
$3900??? I have discussions with friends that most play on what you would consider "elite academy teams", from the ages of 10-18 years old. The highest total I've heard of is $3200 and that was for a 18 year old team, that traveled up and down the east coast doing showcase tournaments. Started at Clemson and worked it's way up to New York, included a three day stay in New York for the 4th of July and consisted of 11 tournaments. Most 10-14 year old teams, that play the best talent possible is between $1500-2500.
I think Renegad44 hit it dead on, if someone is $3900.
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| brball |
Posted - 08/17/2016 : 22:25:34
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Originally posted by Renegade44
Let me be 110% clear here, the elite academy teams charging $3900 for 12U baseball will have a team full of players that can't play a bit of ball. If for some reason you do find a $3900 team that successfully plays at a high level, you can bet your $3900 fees that the bottom half the team paid $3900 (players 8 thru 15) and the top half the team (players 1 thru 7) paid about zero or no more than actual breakeven cost.
Bank on it. They sure are.
Huh? Someone finally makes some sense... Well said brother! |
| brball |
Posted - 08/17/2016 : 22:07:47
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Originally posted by jaguars18
Talking age 12 and above and not counting cooperstown.
The elite academy teams are all minimum 3900 for a full year.
some will dress it up as fall.spring and summer but you will pay.
None let you just pay and play fall or very few. Fall and spring are wrapped into one.
There are dad coached teams that maybe cheaper but you get what you get.
Not sure where your playing at, but I've never payed more than $2800 (entire season) and that includes the Cooperstown year! And I've always been able to pay in installments... I.e.: fall, spring and then summer. You might should look around, just saying. $3900 is a bit high man! |
| Renegade44 |
Posted - 08/17/2016 : 21:30:53
Let me be 110% clear here, the elite academy teams charging $3900 for 12U baseball will have a team full of players that can't play a bit of ball. If for some reason you do find a $3900 team that successfully plays at a high level, you can bet your $3900 fees that the bottom half the team paid $3900 (players 8 thru 15) and the top half the team (players 1 thru 7) paid about zero or no more than actual breakeven cost.
Bank on it. They sure are.
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| jaguars18 |
Posted - 08/17/2016 : 17:11:59
Talking age 12 and above and not counting cooperstown.
The elite academy teams are all minimum 3900 for a full year.
some will dress it up as fall.spring and summer but you will pay.
None let you just pay and play fall or very few. Fall and spring are wrapped into one.
There are dad coached teams that maybe cheaper but you get what you get. |
| PerfectGame |
Posted - 08/16/2016 : 12:13:39
Thanks for the replies.
We've played travel ball for years and have never paid more than $600 for a fall season.
Some teams do have a fall season and a spring season. Some lump it all into one and allow you to make payments for the entire year.
We've played for organizations who do play smaller tournaments as well as those who play all PG and maybe come TC. The smaller tourney teams had a fall fee of under $400.
Overall cost has never been over $2500 total.
Sounds like there are a few outliers around that charge quite a bit more.
But |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/16/2016 : 08:48:27
Fall and Spring are VERY different, and winter workouts will add to the cost.
If the team is a AA team and they are playing USSSA, grand slam and smaller tourneys the Fall fee will likely be around $400-$700. The winter fee will be around $200. The Spring fee, with the same types of Tourneys will be between $800-$1200, including a destination trip.
If you are a Major level team you are only playing PG and TC events, multiple all costs by 2. Not only are the tourneys more expensive but a paid coach is also worked in there. |
