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| Punishers |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 09:49:51
I was contacted by a parent and asked about my thoughts on game time reps:
I explained to him that depends, if a player is missing 4 out of 5 balls in a game where there are clearly 2 or 3 other players better than him. Those players will play that position if it is a performance based team. Positions are earned.
He said his kid plays 2B (Can't count the times I heard that) but wasn't the starting 2B on his previous team. I asked was he fast speed wise and did he have good agility? I got silence. Then he continued about game time reps.
After about 15 minutes or so I politely said to him, if you are more worried about reps rather than a player being able to perform and execute during game time, this may not be the team for you and good luck with your search.
Am I missing something here??? What part of performance and execution is not understood? He sounded to be one of those lobby type parents looking to get his kid on a good team, not being able to contribute in any way.
I'm all for development, but at this level the player has to be strong with basic fundamentals. |
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| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 06/28/2016 : 12:51:31
Sounds like they had a great time. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/28/2016 : 09:31:34
quote:
Originally posted by Crazyforbball
Lol caco3 I can see why! Did you go to cooperstown with that coach?? Was it any fun??
That team went to Cooperstown with the 3 great Assistant Dad Coaches, head coach opted not to attend, and the kids had a blast! It was everything any of the boys could have hoped for. They didn't bunt anyone, had several kids hit HR's that hadn't all season, if there was a blowout going on the kids were allowed to pick their positions and in general had the times of their lives!
Although I think the short stop who wanted to be the catcher for an inning had second thoughts once the 5'7 140# kid was put into pitch because the game was getting a little too close...oh the look he sent to the mound was priceless! It had "please don't hurt me" written all over it and the kid admitted after the game that it was fun to catch but he would be sticking to SS from now on...too funny! |
| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 06/28/2016 : 08:30:49
Lol caco3 I can see why! Did you go to cooperstown with that coach?? Was it any fun?? |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 15:30:26
quote:
Originally posted by Crazyforbball
How can he be asking about game time reps if you haven't seen him on the field yet? My response would be to come for a tryout then I'll let you know what I think.
In general "development" doesn't necessarily mean a low level, even-playing-time team. Hopefully kids are still developing even in older age groups.. I am a firm believer in continued development, but also in earned field time. And skill does factor in. Some kids, no matter how many reps they do in practice, or how hard they try or how much they want it, will just never be able to do it the way others can naturally. Not to say they can't or won't get better, but pure natural talent is what it is. These kids shouldn't be benched..but SHOULD move to a team that fits their skill level. That's not a matter of fairness..it's a fact in competitive sports.
Caco3 12U you needed a doctor's note to miss even one practice?? Seems a little harsh...and we've always played pretty competitively... I could see if a kid made a HABIT of missing practices....
The guy was beyond militant, very knowledgeable, but treated the kids like they were 17u not 12u. I will say that they did learn, I will also say that over half of the starting players left at the end of the season. |
| Crazyforbball |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 14:04:12
How can he be asking about game time reps if you haven't seen him on the field yet? My response would be to come for a tryout then I'll let you know what I think.
In general "development" doesn't necessarily mean a low level, even-playing-time team. Hopefully kids are still developing even in older age groups.. I am a firm believer in continued development, but also in earned field time. And skill does factor in. Some kids, no matter how many reps they do in practice, or how hard they try or how much they want it, will just never be able to do it the way others can naturally. Not to say they can't or won't get better, but pure natural talent is what it is. These kids shouldn't be benched..but SHOULD move to a team that fits their skill level. That's not a matter of fairness..it's a fact in competitive sports.
Caco3 12U you needed a doctor's note to miss even one practice?? Seems a little harsh...and we've always played pretty competitively... I could see if a kid made a HABIT of missing practices.... |
| Punishers |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 12:46:01
Sad part is that we are actually looking for 2 development players we could build up to the expected playing level. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 12:10:25
quote:
Originally posted by sebaseball
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
I was contacted by a parent and asked about my thoughts on game time reps:
I explained to him that depends, if a player is missing 4 out of 5 balls in a game where there are clearly 2 or 3 other players better than him. Those players will play that position if it is a performance based team. Positions are earned.
He said his kid plays 2B (Can't count the times I heard that) but wasn't the starting 2B on his previous team. I asked was he fast speed wise and did he have good agility? I got silence. Then he continued about game time reps.
After about 15 minutes or so I politely said to him, if you are more worried about reps rather than a player being able to perform and execute during game time, this may not be the team for you and good luck with your search.
Am I missing something here??? What part of performance and execution is not understood? He sounded to be one of those lobby type parents looking to get his kid on a good team, not being able to contribute in any way.
I'm all for development, but at this level the player has to be strong with basic fundamentals.
I agree that it depends. Is it a team that is focused on "development" or is it a high level team that is pushing to win? With a team focused on development, kids can get more "game time" reps with more leeway to make mistakes and continuing to be run out there. The focus is on the future and going through the growing pains to get there. On a high level team that's pushing to win, that isn't going to happen and is unrealistic to expect that subpar performance will be rewarded with continued or very much playing time.
It's always been my view that parents need to find the appropriate level team for their child so that they can get consistent playing time. It's great to be on a high level, winning team, but it's no fun to be the one sitting in the dugout all the time and you sure aren't developing like you would if you were out on the field playing a lot. To me, travel ball at 13U and below is about getting your child on team where they can fully develop as a player. That doesn't mean that you have to play on bad teams, just find the appropriate level team for your child's current skills so they can consistently play and have a fighting chance to be successful. Success is the fuel needed to continue on. Nobody is going to continue on very long in something if they continually fail at it.
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| nastycurve |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 11:45:14
I always coached a development AND winning strategy... We develop during practice so that we can win during games. During practice everyone gets equal reps and time at their position and they use this time to earn time on the field during games. At a young age, we do want to get everyone game reps, but one player is not more important than the team, his(or his parents) desire to get on the field and mess up the game for 8 other active guys is not going to happen. In a perfect situation, you should be able to sub freely and not lose much on defense or hitting because everyone has attended practice and taken advantage of their reps. Being that baseball is not perfect, they will weed themselves out.
I always had parents tell me how much their kid LOVED baseball and was upset if they didnt play as much as they thought they would. I would tell them there is all the baseball they can stand on Tuesdays and Thursdays and if they love it in practice they will reward themselves with gametime. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 11:33:10
quote:
Originally posted by Hurricane
I think you need to see the kid field hit and throw instead of asking a parent about their kids ability. If he is good enough to make your team then he would get the game time reps, if he is not good enough to be on your team then is doesn't make sense anyway.
I believe the parent knew what kind of player he had. Playing on a less competitive team where they do close to 90% development would help. Not counting the kid out, I would love to see him to give them a fair eval so he can have details of what he needs to work on.
He came from a 9u team with 5 dads coaching with only 9 players that got spanked by 8u teams. So, he has been burned before. I understand they are being cautious.
I would be too if that happened. |
| Punishers |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 11:29:47
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
Entitlement mentality.
He deserves it. He shouldn't have to EARN it.
That's what I was thinking. Just didn't want to say it first. |
| turntwo |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 10:58:10
Entitlement mentality.
He deserves it. He shouldn't have to EARN it. |
| Hurricane |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 10:43:14
I think you need to see the kid field hit and throw instead of asking a parent about their kids ability. If he is good enough to make your team then he would get the game time reps, if he is not good enough to be on your team then is doesn't make sense anyway.
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 10:37:08
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
I was contacted by a parent and asked about my thoughts on game time reps:
I explained to him that depends, if a player is missing 4 out of 5 balls in a game where there are clearly 2 or 3 other players better than him. Those players will play that position if it is a performance based team. Positions are earned.
He said his kid plays 2B (Can't count the times I heard that) but wasn't the starting 2B on his previous team. I asked was he fast speed wise and did he have good agility? I got silence. Then he continued about game time reps.
After about 15 minutes or so I politely said to him, if you are more worried about reps rather than a player being able to perform and execute during game time, this may not be the team for you and good luck with your search.
Am I missing something here??? What part of performance and execution is not understood? He sounded to be one of those lobby type parents looking to get his kid on a good team, not being able to contribute in any way.
I'm all for development, but at this level the player has to be strong with basic fundamentals.
Punishers, what you need to decide is how your bench will be used. I'm not saying which is right or wrong, but what that parent was asking was most likely "if you accept my kid on your team will he get equal playing time?" Some 10u teams still go with the philosophy that everyone gets to play, but where is at the coaches discretion.
For example, Timmy may WANT to play 2B but he just has no lateral movement...but his bat is good and you want him on the team. Perhaps he can split time at 1B or outfield, or even catcher...or you have the choice of turning the 10u kid into a DH only, i.e. no game time field reps. Also, are you batting 9 or batting the whole team?
On my sons 12u team the coach was VERY famous for saying "This isn't rec ball where everyone gets to play, you earn your spot during practice." He would bat 9 and with 1-2 innings to go he would switch out the outfield in pool play with the kids that had sat all game and they would finally get an at bat. If a starting kid missed a practice they needed to bring a doctors note, if they didn't have one they sat at least one game, this gave the bottom 30% of the roster their chance on the field and one or two did become starters by the end when they proved themselves, but that's just how this coach played it. |
| sebaseball |
Posted - 06/27/2016 : 10:21:14
quote:
Originally posted by Punishers
I was contacted by a parent and asked about my thoughts on game time reps:
I explained to him that depends, if a player is missing 4 out of 5 balls in a game where there are clearly 2 or 3 other players better than him. Those players will play that position if it is a performance based team. Positions are earned.
He said his kid plays 2B (Can't count the times I heard that) but wasn't the starting 2B on his previous team. I asked was he fast speed wise and did he have good agility? I got silence. Then he continued about game time reps.
After about 15 minutes or so I politely said to him, if you are more worried about reps rather than a player being able to perform and execute during game time, this may not be the team for you and good luck with your search.
Am I missing something here??? What part of performance and execution is not understood? He sounded to be one of those lobby type parents looking to get his kid on a good team, not being able to contribute in any way.
I'm all for development, but at this level the player has to be strong with basic fundamentals.
I agree that it depends. Is it a team that is focused on "development" or is it a high level team that is pushing to win? With a team focused on development, kids can get more "game time" reps with more leeway to make mistakes and continuing to be run out there. The focus is on the future and going through the growing pains to get there. On a high level team that's pushing to win, that isn't going to happen and is unrealistic to expect that subpar performance will be rewarded with continued or very much playing time.
It's always been my view that parents need to find the appropriate level team for their child so that they can get consistent playing time. It's great to be on a high level, winning team, but it's no fun to be the one sitting in the dugout all the time and you sure aren't developing like you would if you were out on the field playing a lot. To me, travel ball at 13U and below is about getting your child on team where they can fully develop as a player. That doesn't mean that you have to play on bad teams, just find the appropriate level team for your child's current skills so they can consistently play and have a fighting chance to be successful. Success is the fuel needed to continue on. Nobody is going to continue on very long in something if they continually fail at it. |
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