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| doublebogey |
Posted - 05/03/2009 : 20:14:22
In an effort to get games in before bad weather in Douglasville this weekend, USTBA reduced innings to 5, shortened time limit to 1:15 AND worst of all began every half inning with runner at first and one out. Never seen this before and hated it. Would have rather played one good game instead of two games of something vaguely resembling the game of Abner Doubleday. I know USSSA did worse in McDonough last year. Anybody think this is the thing to do?
USTBA rule call for no refunds if two "regulation" games played. Kinda looks like that is where they were going!
We played one game in about 35 minutes. Wasn't worth the drive. |
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| doublebogey |
Posted - 05/07/2009 : 13:52:23
Mama, This is GOD, I have raised the level of your precious lake 8 feet in the last 60 days, all at the expense of your althletically talented ballplayers. Enough is enough, I decree no more rain. Let's play ball. |
| Peanutsr |
Posted - 05/07/2009 : 11:54:41
The problem is that most of the pool games were played Saturday in the rain on muddy fields. The fields were in better shape and the weather was improved on Sunday until around six oclock. Sunday was the best day of the two to play. |
| CJM |
Posted - 05/07/2009 : 11:22:07
Things are starting to come to roost for USTBA now. We played in a couple USTBA tournaments and have not been overly excited with them but I know based on some other threads, others feel they do a great job. It's one of those in the "eye of the beholder" stories. One tournament where each base was a different distance and no desire to fix it, waiting and waiting and waiting to get scores updated and bracket play announced so that word can be sent out to the players. Frankly, I would have been mad as can be having this format instituted. I think it's not good baseball regardless of the age and as some have alread said, better to play one or two real games v this format. Hopefully, like it is for us on the field playing and coaching, USTBA lives and learns as well from these events and continues to improve their model. |
| mammabee |
Posted - 05/07/2009 : 10:05:41
look the weather isnt run by any body I ever heard of.
why is everbody disturbed at the director about games being rained out do yall want to play in mud ????
find me some body who can get it to rain or not then send em up to Lanier 
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Originally posted by loveforthegame25
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Originally posted by 21BS21
OK, I do not like this format either but our boys still seemed to have a good time. Especially in the 3 innings we threw 1 pitch, turned a double play, and got to go bat again. Not good baseball but the boys loved it.
Our boys didnt love missing out on 3 possible games on sunday.
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| Columnist |
Posted - 05/06/2009 : 19:53:49
By the way, I was updating the stats for our team over the past two weekends and I was trying to figure out whether a California rule runner is considered an earned run or not. Doesn't seem fair to charge the pitcher with an earned run. But in the case of the USTBA rules, he shouldn't get credit for a 1/3 inning pitched either. Abner must be rolling over in his grave. |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 05/05/2009 : 21:43:53
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Originally posted by 21BS21
OK, I do not like this format either but our boys still seemed to have a good time. Especially in the 3 innings we threw 1 pitch, turned a double play, and got to go bat again. Not good baseball but the boys loved it.
Our boys didnt love missing out on 3 possible games on sunday. |
| 21BS21 |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 22:53:12
OK, I do not like this format either but our boys still seemed to have a good time. Especially in the 3 innings we threw 1 pitch, turned a double play, and got to go bat again. Not good baseball but the boys loved it. |
| USTBA08 |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 21:29:40
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Originally posted by Peanutsr
Ustba's claim was that Hunter Park closed the fields for Sunday. When we called the County a representative told us that the fields were open. The fields at Hunter were in better shape Sunday than Saturday.
Play in the rain Saturday to get your pool games in then cancel the
bracket play on Sunday and claim it was the park.
And in this day of modern electronics, can someone tell me why a game that is over at noon can't be posted by 11:00 that night.
Somebody dropped the ball on this tournament.
The City Of Douglasville parks & recreations is a complete different identity then Douglas County parks & recreation. If teams had bothered to call the Hunter Park/City of Douuglasville Parks & recreation number that was posted on the site all day Sunday, they would have heard the recording stating that ALL 3 parks in Douglasville, including Hunter Park were closed for Sunday May 3. The City & County operate parks seperately, they have nothing to do with each other. We had no choice in the matter.
If we had wanted to get two games in and that was all we were concerned about, we wouldn't have worked on the brackets until 1:30 Sunday morning after two 11U games ended at near midnight. It would have saved time and effort just to post the tournament was canceled after those games, Wouldn't it have?
As far as games posted on the website, I, Paul Jennings was unavailbale to work the tournament due to health reasons this weekend and this left Tommy by himself with his main concern getting the fields prepared to play on. I did arrive on Saturday even though my doctors orders were bed rest for three weeks, and attempted to help and ended up staying until 2:30 in the morning.
I think coaches, parents and anyone else that makes a post against Georgia USTBA or any other organization KNOW THE FACTS first.
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| USTBA08 |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 18:42:58
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Originally posted by doublebogey
In an effort to get games in before bad weather in Douglasville this weekend, USTBA reduced innings to 5, shortened time limit to 1:15 AND worst of all began every half inning with runner at first and one out. Never seen this before and hated it. Would have rather played one good game instead of two games of something vaguely resembling the game of Abner Doubleday. I know USSSA did worse in McDonough last year. Anybody think this is the thing to do?
USTBA rule call for no refunds if two "regulation" games played. Kinda looks like that is where they were going!
We played one game in about 35 minutes. Wasn't worth the drive.
USTBA Weather Format
Georgia USTBA implements the Weather Format when weather forecast predict rain during a tournament. This is done in order to give the tournament a chance to play out to it's completion, to get to the Championship Games, no other reason. Our expense remain the same for umpires, provided baseballs and field usage fees.
The format is fair to both teams, giving neither team an advatage but allows teams the opportunity to get to the most important game, The Championship. We find it to be a much better format than a 3 inning game with a 45 minute time limit which is and has been used in other sanctioning organizations.
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| Peanutsr |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 18:00:12
Ustba's claim was that Hunter Park closed the fields for Sunday. When we called the County a representative told us that the fields were open. The fields at Hunter were in better shape Sunday than Saturday.
Play in the rain Saturday to get your pool games in then cancel the
bracket play on Sunday and claim it was the park.
And in this day of modern electronics, can someone tell me why a game that is over at noon can't be posted by 11:00 that night.
Somebody dropped the ball on this tournament. |
| USTBA08 |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 17:55:00
West Georgia Slugfest Coaches,
GEORGIA USTBA is in the process of figuring refunds due to teams of the West Georgia Slugfest. With 80 teams & awaiting checks to clear, each team will be contacted by Friday May 10 of any & all refund amounts.
CHECKS FOR ANY & ALL REFUNDS WILL BE DISPENSED ON FRIDAY MAY 10.
In the 9 & Under and 11 & Under, awards will be awarded to teams based on their seeding into bracket play once all payments for entry & gate fees have cleared our bank. These are the only age groups which completed all their pool play games and justify presenting awards.
JUST A NOTE:
Georgia USTBA has anticipated refunds of over $12,000 in entry & gate fees will be processed. We also had an unexpected expense of 318 bags of field dry material @ $15 per bag for a total of nearly $4,800.
Georgia USTBA has and always will do what is fair & equitable for teams which participate in our events.
PLEASE BE PATIENT and allow us the administrative time required to process refunds.
Your understanding and patience is appreciated!
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| doublebogey |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 17:05:08
Alter-Ego, Before we shed too many tears for these altruistic tournament directors, you may want to do a little math on the $5,000 plus, ADDITIONAL, profit they made on this tournament simply by getting these pool "games" in, and then cancelling on Sunday. I don't know exactly what the umps got paid for each age division, but the 11u ump told me he got $38 a game. Assume an average of at least 40 for all divisions times the 64 cancelled games on Sunday, times two Umps = $5,120. Not bad for a days work..............oops......a day off.
The truth is the refund issue doesn't bother me much. Its less than $50 bucks a player including gate fee. The two outs and a runner on every inning is what bothers me. ANd on top of this you shorten number of innings and time. The combination of all 3 sends me off.
By the way, if my mechanic changed my tailights instead of checking my plugs, I probably wouldn't want to pay him for the plugs, since that is what I asked for. However, if he told me he was going to get started on it and the weather may prevent him from finishing, I would know I would be assuming the risk.
By the way, I am many things, but cheap is not among them. Ask Papa.
Alter-Ego Posted - 05/04/2009 : 12:49:58
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They are trying to let it play out on the field rather than with an "off-the-field" tiebreaker. I would rather have a shot at getting through the games, even if they were shortened (not quite to the extent of the Super NIT but 5 innings 1:15 is still better than USTBA points).
Too many people act like life is free and that it is an abomination for tournament directors (I am not a director) to try to give teams what they are guaranteed (2 game minimum, not 14 innings minimum) instead of giving them money back. As baseball papa said, there are expenses that are there once the tournament starts.
It is kind of like going into a mechanic and saying " Can you check my spark plugs?" The mechanic takes them each out, checks the tips, and puts them back in. He says "Your spark plugs are fine." Even though the car did not need new spark plugs, the mechanics labor was used. You can't say "Well, I guess I don't owe you anything." Thanks |
| closer |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 15:04:46
You can argue this point in so many ways. First, a construction worker is hired on the premise that he will work 8 hours per day. He wakes up on Monday morning and it is raining. He calls his boss and says, "it is raining, I can only work 30 minutes per hour for you, but you still have to pay me the entire amount".
Second, you invest in the stock market. You have the potential of make a lot of money. However, something happens (the rain) and you loose everything. You call your broker and say, "I can only loose a percentage, I have money invested".
Third, in the "spark plug" analogy, the mechanic has the potential of making a repair. The customer wouldn't have asked him to take a look if he didn't have a symptom.
I do understand that there are expenses involved. But these people don't run one tournament per year. They run several. If they want the teams to keep coming back, they will do the fair thing. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 12:49:58
They are trying to let it play out on the field rather than with an "off-the-field" tiebreaker. I would rather have a shot at getting through the games, even if they were shortened (not quite to the extent of the Super NIT but 5 innings 1:15 is still better than USTBA points).
Too many people act like life is free and that it is an abomination for tournament directors (I am not a director) to try to give teams what they are guaranteed (2 game minimum, not 14 innings minimum) instead of giving them money back. As baseball papa said, there are expenses that are there once the tournament starts.
It is kind of like going into a mechanic and saying " Can you check my spark plugs?" The mechanic takes them each out, checks the tips, and puts them back in. He says "Your spark plugs are fine." Even though the car did not need new spark plugs, the mechanics labor was used. You can't say "Well, I guess I don't owe you anything." Thanks |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 10:25:48
In the Super NIT last year we played 6-7 games of 3 innings with 30 minute time limits. I agree that the directors just try to do what they can not to refund entry fees. But then again the directors do have fixed expenses that have to be met. I too would rather play one good game than 2 sorry games. The directors cannot control the weather but it is a part of baseball. |
| fourseam |
Posted - 05/04/2009 : 09:54:39
Had the same format in Calhoun a couple of weeks ago, we did not like this format. Worse of all it never rained and all games could have been played as normal. I beleave if the game went extra innings that every batter would also start with 1 ball and 1 strike. We don't like playing this way win or loose. Let us play the game the right way if games can't be played out, go to a tie breaker system for the championship. |
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