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| bstand |
Posted - 04/30/2009 : 22:19:09
I would be interested in getting opinions on questionable baseball etiquette. We played a 10u team last weekend that had players in the field yelling swing to our batters exactly as the ball crossed the plate, yelling at the pitcher to look at something in the dugout just as he was breaking to deliver the pitch, making ghost tags at home to force our runners to slide, etc. There were many more things along those lines going on during the entire game, and I wanted to know if I am just too old-school, or if this is as classless as I thought it was. Maybe this is where the game has evolved to, so I wanted to see if I was behind the times, or if this was bad baseball. At the end of the day, I don't blame the players.... they had to learn it from somewhere. |
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| barsred98 |
Posted - 06/17/2010 : 21:55:05
The kids cheering is one thing but the coaches getting involved is entirely different. A couple of tournaments ago in Hidden Valley we watched a coach from the bucket at the front of the dugout yell "got em" every single pitch with 2 strikes as the ball crossed the plate. Talk about bush league....... |
| Arnie66 |
Posted - 06/16/2010 : 14:22:00
You will notice that as the teams get older the chanting will go away. This will also not be present with the higher level ( better) teams at all age groups, especially the ones with qualified coaches,staff or come from a respected program. The ones that do within the so called respected programs demonstrate that all that organization does is collect money, not actually respect the game of baseball. |
| zwndad |
Posted - 06/09/2010 : 10:00:13
So, last year, in a 14U tournament championship game, our opposing team would start screaming their own batters name as loud as possible right when our pitcher started his wind up. (They were staring right at our pitcher when they did it.) We got down early, so the screaming got louder. The fastball to the ear hole didn't quiet them, so a couple of our guys started to scream back. After a few minutes, everybody was into it. An inning later, the other team backed off. We rallied to win the tournament. I guess the other team couldn't take it as well as they could dish it.
BTW, I don't like any of it, and our team never did it again, before or after. And it was really annoying to me, even coming from our dugout. I would love to say that it was a good lesson to our opponent, but I doubt it. |
| 6bomber |
Posted - 06/08/2010 : 22:45:59
it's hard to admit but 9 and 10u were hard to handle. it was hard to tell who was playing and who was CHEERING. at 12u our boys have realized that isnt baseball. it is okay to push your teamates with a little attitude, but cheerleading??? |
| gasbag |
Posted - 06/08/2010 : 16:38:22
The kids learn it from the parents !!!! Parents should teach them there's a time and place for the cheering during the game. Watch a tennis match...in between serves and volley's, the fans go nuts but during the game, you usually don't hear too much noise. It dis-respects the game and your opponent.
Also, there is a huge distinction to be made between CHEERING and JEERING ! There is no room in my world for jeering and trash talking in any sport, between athletes and fans as well....especially at the amateur level. These are OUR kids for cripes sake !
Heck, I often find myself cheering a great play by the other team....I just want to watch great competitive kids work their magic and I really don't care what team their on !!!! |
| ItsjustLLBBall |
Posted - 06/08/2010 : 08:56:08
If I knew I was going to play that team, I would have some pom poms in my dugout and when their coach came out to coach the base by our dugout, I would take the pom poms and hand them to him saying "coach, I think your kids dropped these on the way in" |
| Wildcatmom5 |
Posted - 06/08/2010 : 08:33:14
Tony,
I wish I could have been there too. We are 11U and still hear the chanting while the pitcher is pitching and batter is batting. I think it is ok to cheer your team on while you are in the dugout but not taunting the other team. Coachs and parents need to have more class. |
| DecaturDad |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 22:01:19
Tony,
I would have loved to have seen that. It was well deserved. |
| coachtony |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 18:50:44
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
Also, while our pitcher was in his windup, they would yell ball, ball, ball!
Preach on, DD!! We played that same team last weekend at Hidden Valley and they did the same thing. When the pitcher is getting his signs they start ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball, ball progressively louder and faster until he is in his windup and then they scream at the top of their lungs. When my son was pitching, without any instruction from me (although I wish I would have thought of it) he got to his set position of a 3-2 pitch and stopped and they jumped ahead and started screaming early....so he just stood their like a statue while they screamed at the top of their lungs. He waited for about 40 seconds (which is an eternity when you actually are waiting for it) until they stopped and then he delivered strike 3. It was beautiful...I think I shed a tear ;)
--T
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| teddy41 |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 17:55:47
kids who can play play, those who cant chant and clap..on the other hand if your a player and it gets to you then you need to toughen up, after the age of 12 at least |
| sirlurker |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 16:37:05
Well most teams that would do that most likely are not going to be on this board or they would know better...As has been stated before on these boards, at the older level if you start chanting at the pitcher then the batter is going to get one in the pie hole...
Count me in the old timers who remember well when I was younger and teams chanting "rally rally the pitcher's name is sally" which would be considered bush today...but I also don't remember the game being taken as serious or the parents chanting back and forth at each other as much...maybe it happened and I didn't notice because I was just a kid playing baseball and didn't really pay attention what went outside the fence....
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| Spartan4 |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 16:14:42
It doesn't last forever.....As soon as the boys get a little older they either grow out of it or the opposing coach will "assist" them. Very rarely will a 10U coach do something like throw at an opposing batter but I can promise you by 13-14 the coaches or pitchers have little problem in sending a message. I just told mine and other boys I have been involved with that it's just trashy behavior and to beat the other team using talent and knowledge of the game.
BUT....I have been the person yelling balk when these so-called "officials" openly tell coaches/parents that wasn't a balk and then can't explain why it wasn't other than "it just wasn't" |
| MadSkills |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 15:51:58
Those teams would never be allowed to be listed here. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 13:30:44
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Originally posted by DecaturDad
We played in a tournament this weekend where one of the opposing teams yelled swing at every pitch.
All the teams in my Little League did that when I played. "Hey batter, hey batter, heyyyyy, swing!" during the pitcher's delivery. Of course, we also wore baggy pants and used wood bats. 
Mostly you don't hear anything, but I've heard different variations on it. Since it doesn't happen these days, it definitely sounds out of place, but it's never sounded that bad to me because we used to do it.
All that other stuff is bush.
I heard a dad taunting a kid during rec ball playoffs a couple of weeks ago. He got called out by blue and both teams' coaches and even the other parents on his team were shaking their heads and rolling their eyes. That was reassuring.
Wouldn't hurt to call out the teams that do that by name on this board. That might end it real quick. |
| DecaturDad |
Posted - 06/07/2010 : 10:54:02
We played in a tournament this weekend where one of the opposing teams yelled swing at every pitch. Also, while our pitcher was in his windup, they would yell ball, ball, ball! I realize this is legal, but I find it so bush league it was hard to even enjoy the game. Our boys have been told that is they want to chant, join a chearleading squad.
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| EMS34 |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 15:08:58
Hello all,
Since most of us play under High School rules, teams are not allowed to refer to an oppossing team's player. That includes name, number, or position, but I may be wrong on that. However, if they do not reference any of the above, they can say whatever they want to say, as an umpire put it to me a month ago. I agree with everyone, that it is a shame to hear what is coming out of some of these dug outs. We had a team doing that to us and our boys responded with a come from behind crushing victory (I believe in Karma). It is okay to cheer for your team, but nothing should be directed across the field.
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| bstand |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 14:58:39
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Originally posted by gasbag
My observation over many years is that little league baseball chatter is normal and healthy...except when it's taken to extremes. I've coached and been in the dugout with kids 6 and under through high school. I promoted active participation in the games at a young age to keep the kids engaged and safe, and not picking outfield flowers, gazing at air planes or digging trenches in the field ( and risk getting nailed in the head with a ball, and yes I've seen this occur ). Supporting your pitcher with a " hey batter batter swing", " hit em with some gas" etc etc is in my mind just part of the game, when they are in the field. As the kids get older, they usually drop this type ( most no longer need to cheer to stay engaged ) of cheering and yell support when someone makes a great play etc.
However, I would never allow a catcher to make a peep to a batter, as I believe that is poor sportsmanship and crosses a line, but that's for me. I think there is a big distinction between cheering & jeering, cheering & trash talk. Recognizing this however leads me to believe that it's different for every perspective and point of view that there is out there. I've always tried to use the rule:
" if you don't want it said to you, don't say it to someone else".
I think there needs to be a delicate balance between enthusiasm, cheering and support ( this is athletics and your supposed to get excited and amped ! ) and being a bad sport, making derogatory comments and trash talking.
It's a great debate, should we allow talk and cheering... or run youth athletics like baseball, more like golf where "you must be totally silent". Is there any room for enthusiasm in youth sports without it being perceived as poor sports ? Is there an age where it is appropriate and inapproriate at another age ? Would we tell our kids that they can't speak when playing tag at home or hide and seek or kick the can ?
I abhor trash talking and poor sportsmanship but I also fear that if we sterilize youth athletics too much, we'll lose quite a bit of participation from the kids.
I agree completely that at 10u it is healthy for the players to pick each other up and cheer each other on. I think a clear line can be drawn when the chatter, etc. is directed at the other team, whether it comes from the players, the coaches or the parents. I think that your actions speak louder than your words anyway. BTW, we won the game that night which was in fact an elimination game. We went on to win the tournament, and I was proud of our boys as well as the other teams in this tourney, save one, who conducted themselves in a noble manner, regardless of the outcome on the field. I think baseball as a game commands a certain level of respect, and I am glad that I wasn't in left field, pardon the pun, with my beliefs, as it seems a lot of other posters feel the same way. |
| ingasven |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 13:14:02
quote:
Originally posted by loveforthegame25
INGY, if i had a nickle for every time you wrote, just my opinion, i would be rich
Big T,
I'm just attempting to ward off the, "well, who died and made you the authority" comments. You would think most people understand whatever we write here is just simply our opinion, but clarification never hurts.
I've replaced "Good luck to the Curve" with "just my opinion"
Now onto a different point... we respond too much alike on here...if we could say what we really wanted to most times I bet the last line would read... "Somebody needs one to the backside"
Just my opinion |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 12:45:05
INGY, if i had a nickle for every time you wrote, just my opinion, i would be rich |
| gasbag |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 11:32:26
My observation over many years is that little league baseball chatter is normal and healthy...except when it's taken to extremes. I've coached and been in the dugout with kids 6 and under through high school. I promoted active participation in the games at a young age to keep the kids engaged and safe, and not picking outfield flowers, gazing at air planes or digging trenches in the field ( and risk getting nailed in the head with a ball, and yes I've seen this occur ). Supporting your pitcher with a " hey batter batter swing", " hit em with some gas" etc etc is in my mind just part of the game, when they are in the field. As the kids get older, they usually drop this type ( most no longer need to cheer to stay engaged ) of cheering and yell support when someone makes a great play etc.
However, I would never allow a catcher to make a peep to a batter, as I believe that is poor sportsmanship and crosses a line, but that's for me. I think there is a big distinction between cheering & jeering, cheering & trash talk. Recognizing this however leads me to believe that it's different for every perspective and point of view that there is out there. I've always tried to use the rule:
" if you don't want it said to you, don't say it to someone else".
I think there needs to be a delicate balance between enthusiasm, cheering and support ( this is athletics and your supposed to get excited and amped ! ) and being a bad sport, making derogatory comments and trash talking.
It's a great debate, should we allow talk and cheering... or run youth athletics like baseball, more like golf where "you must be totally silent". Is there any room for enthusiasm in youth sports without it being perceived as poor sports ? Is there an age where it is appropriate and inapproriate at another age ? Would we tell our kids that they can't speak when playing tag at home or hide and seek or kick the can ?
I abhor trash talking and poor sportsmanship but I also fear that if we sterilize youth athletics too much, we'll lose quite a bit of participation from the kids. |
| Titan1 |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 09:46:35
It is classless. You forgot to mention the parents and coaches yelling strike every pitch while the ball is in the air and balk everytime the pitcher starts his delivery. As far as I am concerned they should start ejecting after just one warning but in my experience they do nothing.We had a somewhat similar thing happn to us a couple of weeks ago. I isolated the experience but most of the things you said this team did the team we played did also. Here is the tread on what happened to us.
http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5602&whichpage=1
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| ingasven |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 09:45:37
I take so much joy from seeing these type of teams get beat.
Just my opinion, but don't even bother trying to tell the other coach the tactics he's teaching his kids are classless. You might as well be talking to the baseball. These guys that teach this crap obviously live by the whatever it takes motto with no regard or respect for the game.
The hardest thing facing these teams is trying to keep your group from responding to the cheap trash being bantered about from the other side as usually the parents on those teams are as horrible as they come too.
I like to just tell my kid to tune it out, focus on what he has to do and puff his chest(ok, those of you that know him are laughing as you realize he has no chest) out as he's shaking hands after the game on the winning side of the score.
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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 09:43:04
THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT REALLY BURNS ME UP. Same as yelling in basketball when a kid is shooting a free throw. I cant stand that and I would make sure the other coach knew how I felt. Any coach that allows this kind of behavior has no business between the white lines |
| tater77bug |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 08:50:04
Chatter during the at bat is not uncommon as long as it is not the catcher...however some leagues do not allow any chatter....trying to get the pitcher to look in the dugout with cat calls and such is just bad baseball....a ghost tag from where I'm from is against the rules....at 10u for sure...unfortunatly it seems that in this case the fun of kids chattering and having a little spirit has been turned into something negative...seems the other coach is trying to win at any cost....I bet they never played much sports and they are trophy collectors....hang in there...all coaches and teams are not on that program... |
| toprank |
Posted - 05/01/2009 : 08:49:13
BUSH !!!! Most coaches that played a high level of baseball dont allow things like that or the clapping getting your lead on base. I will say I saw an 11U coach in the final game at ECB, tell his dugout to stop singing/chanting after they started a huge rally. I know this coach played at the highest level you can play at and I thought that was very admirable on his part. Play the game like the college players play it and you will be fine. |
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