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| HIT15 |
Posted - 03/29/2009 : 12:20:28
Lets here your predictions on the 12yr olds USTBA at ECB |
| 25 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| bball fan |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 09:09:20
The point gasbag makes is exactly why this topic is "over the top". "Not to distant future that kids will be brought into pitch only", but it is the FUTURE not at 12. Develop the talent and the hand you have availble to you and let the chips fall where they may. This has way to much to do with winning at all costs. |
| The One |
Posted - 04/08/2009 : 21:01:56
Great tournament this past weekend and congrats to the Chiefs baseball organization and the kids that represent them. Who cares where the kids are from,as long as they are 12 years old is all that matters. They played great fundamental ball all weekend and won a very tough tournament. I can't wait to see them take the field again, I love the way they play! |
| gasbag |
Posted - 04/08/2009 : 15:16:40
The older the kids get, the more this happens. Platooning kids will happen more and more, especially from a pitching perspective. In the not too distant future for these 12u's, teams will carry players who only pitch. It will feel more and more like big league baseball and less and less like parks and rec ball where every kid who comes out gets a chance to play. That's why we play select travel ball vs parks n rec. The level of competition is usually higher as is the cost to play. With that cost comes expectations, promises, as well as competition from within teams as well as the teams you play ball against. That's the nature of the beast.
I think a lot of what I'm hearing are natural growing pains as our kids grow and develop to that next level. I think we all yearn, to some degree, where every kid played and we all cheered ( vs. the jeers I here so much of ! ) for every kid on every play to positively reinforce them. I really hope I can attend a select travel ball game where the parents and fans can recognize the efforts of all of the kids vs. making remarks which detratct from the magic these kids do on and off the field ! |
| bambino_dad |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 16:28:37
Some good points pro and con.
The con is being an in-state Chief ballplayer or parent committed to practicing and playing as a legit teammate and team player - but not being sure if the out-of-state players the coaches are flying in are "can't miss studs" who'll demand the lion's share of playing time during the tournament. That's gotta be bothersome on some level, not being sure where things stand.
The pro side is that at least the Ga. teams playing the Chiefs are getting a good look at how good they need to be to compete outside the state - especially in FLA - because essentially, beating the Chiefs is the equivalent of beating a multi-state All-Star team, right? And on the flip side it follows that losing to them ain't so bad. |
| ecbstix |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 15:17:32
I agree with the better comp. will only make you better! That's why we play up when we can and actually look forward to playing the best teams around! Taking nothing from the Chiefs , they have always been a great team, and the kids they picked up were great! I just hate it for the kids that are temporarily replaced! |
| proball |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 12:41:29
I heard all sides of this topic, but it's real simple it doesn't matter who comes to what tournament or brings additional players. As long as our kids competed; sometimes that means against stiff competition. I'm real proud of all our kids on playoff day because they all came game ready. The Chiefs and Meteror didn't blow any of our teams out of water, but the capitalized on mistakes. That means our kids can compete, learn from their mistakes(and coaches mistakes), change our approach and win. Most of our kids match up with all the players that came. Every team doesn't have to follow one rule as long as they didn't violate any of the tournament rules. Development of player is on the parent not the coach. That is why we have our kids in Travel baseabll; we take them to private lessons,classes and camps etc. Just remember one thing did all of our teams do everything right to win during the weeks prior to that tournament.
See you at the tournament, make the adjustments and it's hard to beat a team twice. |
| Infinity |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 12:25:05
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Originally posted by motown
Infinity, how can a kid get better, when coaches bring in different kids to face that tuff compatition. How can u learn how to play when every weekend hes sittn the old for the new. How many kids is he going to help get scholorships? None cause hes not teaching, he BUYING
I think you misunderstood my response as I try and read your email...
It's the players that play against a team like the Chiefs that will benefit in the long run by facing a stacked team. I would rather my son play against the top teams every game and have a .500 record than play against teams they run rule every game. The only way to become a better player is to play against the best.
Sure, run ruling every team and hitting .650 makes everyone feel groovy however sooner or later players are going to have to learn how to play against top notch competition if they want to compete at the elite level in travel ball and hopefully in high school.
At this level going 1-4 against a top gun pitcher is more productive long term than going 4-4 against someone my daughter can get a hit off of. No offense to my daughter....... |
| straightalk |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 12:22:36
I was told that the Florida Chiefs/Calhoun Fire was trying to get these kids ready for the next level with the coach they hired but it looks like you would need to travel to Florida to see how they turn out. There is something to be said about winning a tournament with local boys that you have coached and groomed yourself. It looks like they have abandoned that motto and gone with "win at all cost". It looks as if the coaching may be better in Fla. if they have to go there and get the kids to win. I tip my hat off to the Astros and Shamrock coaches that play the local boys that they have coached, they are the real deal here. |
| motown |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 10:59:03
Infinity, how can a kid get better, when coaches bring in different kids to face that tuff compatition. How can u learn how to play when every weekend hes sittn the old for the new. How many kids is he going to help get scholorships? None cause hes not teaching, he BUYING |
| kbuck |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 10:54:44
I agree. If the team is within the rules of the tournament then it is fine. I, for one, love that my son got to play the talent that was on the field this weekend. I have been wanting that for the past couple of years and finally he is on a team that can compete at this level. His team is made up of kids from 2 or 3 counties in the area and I felt very good about our performance this weekend. It does not bother me that we got put out by a team that has players brought in for just this event. We lost to them 4-3 in the first bracket game and the Chiefs went on to win the next two games 6-1. I know my son got a lot out of playing a team like that and I hope we see that kind of competition the rest of the year. It is all about developing your team and not all about winning every event. |
| Infinity |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 10:03:37
As long as a team plays by the rules under the tournament rules regarding their roster, I have no problem in a team loading up for a tournament. It sounds like some may be upset that their team didn't win the tournament. I'm not directing this towards anyone however the objective of playing high caliber travel ball tournaments is to face tough teams where the "PLAYER" faces the ultimate competition to improve his or hers skills to become a better player and better prepare themselves for the next level. I think facing top teams no matter where the players are from will improve the skill set of the opposing players.
I guess the question here is would you rather win a tournament facing lackluster competition where your team isn't challenged or coming in 2nd, 3rd or 4th and having your team learn something to make them better players. |
| ecbstix |
Posted - 04/07/2009 : 06:59:55
All depends on who they fly in! We had a Chief parent tell us they had never seen some of the kids before! Also had a Fla. kid say they had never even practiced with the Chiefs before! When did "Coaching" become "Acquiring talent" as opposed to "Developing talent"? Must be rough on the kids who sit to make room for the Hired talent! So much for playing as a team and having team loyalty! In my opinion this has more to do with giving parents and (paid) coaches bragging rights and less to do with teaching the game! |
| proball |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 18:45:08
I have to say great job by Chiefs and capitalizing on teams mishaps. Hope the weather gets better for another match up between the final four clubs from Georgia. Who's your top ten Georgia teams? I know your placing the Chiefs as #1.
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Originally posted by betterbball
How about them CHIEFS ! ustba Champs
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| motown |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 15:39:37
The chiefs are part floridians also so yes Florida is n mid season form. I talk to number 51s mom and they have played over 50 games already |
| Critical Mass |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 13:03:07
Ultimate: Chiefs
American: BlackCrackers
National: Braves |
| bambino_dad |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 11:55:27
Congrats to the Chiefs. Great pitching and all-around performance this weekend.
The hitting display the RF for the Meteors put on was impressive. He
hit an opposite field moonshot 50-60 ft. over the left field wall on an up and away breaking ball that made no sense.
Clearly, the Florida teams are in mid-season form, and for the Chiefs to hold them to one run was super impressive. |
| Critical Mass |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 08:26:22
Ultimate: Chiefs
American: ?
National: Braves |
| betterbball |
Posted - 04/06/2009 : 01:59:54
How about them CHIEFS ! ustba Champs |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 04/05/2009 : 09:54:56
If Chiefs can get by Hardcore we will be in for one heck of a game with the Chiefs and Shamrocks going head to head for the first time this year. I can't wait to see this one. But the hard part may be getting by Hardcore. There are no easy paths in this ultimate division. |
| Critical Mass |
Posted - 04/03/2009 : 07:15:41
The way I see it, the teams named above should have been deeper in the brackets at the NIT, merely based on talent and ability, double elmination would have compromised the NIT's value. Just my .02 |
| FLBASEBALLFAN |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 22:52:24
Another point on the boys from Florida. Who did they play with at the Super NIT? I'll tell you, Team Easton. Not the Chiefs.
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Originally posted by betterbball
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Originally posted by proball
I saw the Chiefs lose two games (one to Viper,Al), the fields were supersized for 12U and most of the Ga teams looked good not just the Chiefs. quote:
Originally posted by The One
The 12 and under division is too close to call. No dominant team, so it's a crap shoot. From what i saw at the Super NIT, I would say the Chiefs.
There again do not believe everything read. Chiefs picked up no one for this tournament. THese are full time players. All parents have known about these players for quit a while. And you are right who would pick-up players for this tournament.
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| FLBASEBALLFAN |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 22:50:21
Believe it, the Chiefs have three kids from Team Easton playing with them this weekend. You guys can say they are full time and the parents knew about them but when you live in another state and already play on three other teams in Florida, then you are not a full time player. I am not saying I have a problem with it, my son played on a team from another state. He loved it. We will do it again. I just find it hypocritical that’s all.
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Originally posted by betterbball
quote:
Originally posted by proball
I saw the Chiefs lose two games (one to Viper,Al), the fields were supersized for 12U and most of the Ga teams looked good not just the Chiefs. quote:
Originally posted by The One
The 12 and under division is too close to call. No dominant team, so it's a crap shoot. From what i saw at the Super NIT, I would say the Chiefs.
There again do not believe everything read. Chiefs picked up no one for this tournament. THese are full time players. All parents have known about these players for quit a while. And you are right who would pick-up players for this tournament.
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| FLBASEBALLFAN |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 22:43:26
Team Easton does not play USTBA. We don't have that here in Florida, atleast not in Central Florida.
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Originally posted by bball fan
How could players from Team Easton (Florida) be on the Chiefs roster?
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| betterbball |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 19:32:10
quote:
Originally posted by bball fan
How could players from Team Easton (Florida) be on the Chiefs roster?
What do you mean how? |
| bball fan |
Posted - 04/02/2009 : 12:04:53
How could players from Team Easton (Florida) be on the Chiefs roster? |
