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| ecguy24 |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 18:18:37
i've heard that a website ranks players from ages 10 to 18 all around america. is that accurate and what website is it. |
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| stanlewis |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 11:33:47
As part of the Coaches Association being initiated by NWBA, weekly polls are going to be conducted. Teams will be able to vote on the top teams in each classification. Our goal is to get as many teams as possible to participate in the Coaches Association from all over Georgia. See the information on the web site.
www.nwgabaseball.org/News/2009Registration.html |
| greglomax |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 10:34:58
As much as we complain about USSSA, they seem to have some method to their madness in ranking teams based on points, coaches poll, and power rankings.
The hard part with ranking teams is evaluating the makeup of the teams at any point in time. If rosters were locked start to finish, that would be one thing, but if you allow a team to take the best 3 pitchers off of one team, to play with them in a tournament, it can significantly change the ability of a team.
I think it is such a moving target. At least Scott's approach with the Mazzone Cup last year was based on points from specific tournaments, so it becomes harder to argue about a team's rankings. If a team is ranked lower, it is because they did not do well in these tournaments or they did not choose to play in many of them. Either way, the control is within the team. |
| ecguy24 |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 18:53:02
What about websites ranking teams |
| mammabee |
Posted - 11/19/2008 : 13:51:08
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Old School
If you look back at the list of "players to watch" from last year on Travel Ball Select, you will see a lot of players on that list that turned out to be average, while others that turned out to be some of your better players were not listed.
Doctor you said it right. Not just about being average players but that other players on there same teams proved out to be better allround but werent listed.
The list is just hype . Let it go parents the boys can do it themselves. They are too much young to have some kind of "ranking" dropped at there feet. Too much changes year to year. |
| Dr. Old School |
Posted - 11/18/2008 : 09:30:04
I am not sure a website exists. It is subjective, like Travel Ball Selects "All America" list unless you have an evaluation process to compare players and have knowledgeable people, not associated with any of the players, doing the evaluations. Many can list the top 20 players in the area but any ranking of them would be purely subjective as to why one is above the other.
Not to mention the top 20 players from last year will not be the top 20 players for this year. There are players that are new to the area, players that are playing down at a new age group, etc, that will be in the mix. Not to mention the ones from last year that did not continue developing are getting pushed out by the ones that did.
Lots of things are changing with players now. It's almost like hitting a moving target.
If you look back at the list of "players to watch" from last year on Travel Ball Select, you will see a lot of players on that list that turned out to be average, while others that turned out to be some of your better players were not listed.
Any listing, without justification, would just create an argument. |
| ecguy24 |
Posted - 11/17/2008 : 18:49:55
does anyone know a website where they only rank players in georgia |
| greglomax |
Posted - 11/12/2008 : 17:09:29
Where I think people get caught up in the ranking is with the common perception that there is a lot of subjectivity in the placement. Looking at the itinerary for this event it looks like they will run the players through assessments and load those into a database which will rank them. While there is some subjectivity in whether a player is a 4 or 5 in a particular area, if they are all judged on a standard scale, is it that subjective. How much they use qualified former major and minor leaguers or scouts will improve the credibility.
Day 1: Players will be run through professional style workout with various instruction and practice from former and current pro players. Instruction and testing will be done on every facet of the game from running times to arm strength to pitching mechanics. The test results compiled will be entered into a ranking system to see where you stand among your elite peers in your respective age group.
Days 2 & 3: Players compete in game competition, receive in-depth training, run the PGY obstacle coarse, attend a crash coarse seminar on what to expect in your future with baseball, and compete for awards given to top performers in each skill.
Special Guest: MLB superstar Albert Pujols, will make a guest appearance to interact with the young players. Only the top 100 players in each age group (11-14) are invited. So don’t miss out!
Where I don't see is a place where a parent can influence their childs assessment from a 2 to a 5, or make their 60 yard dash time appear faster. I do see an opportunity for parents, and more importantly the player, to get an unbiased assessment of their abilities and some feedback on what they need to work on.
Other than the money, I cannot see a single reason this type of showcase would have a negative impact on a player.
Maybe I missed something. |
| CinReds |
Posted - 11/12/2008 : 15:33:12
quote:
Originally posted by qui-gon.jinn
11-14. Wow. And exactly how many of these boys are gonna be playing ball post-puberty? What percentage of boys at this age are even in the ravages of puberty? How many of the young guns are gonna turn out like their ole man? You know the kind, 5'10", 310lbs, can't get out of their own way? Or the exact opposite, whereby mom and dad are 6'6" but jimmy doesn't grow beyond 5'4" - remember auntie annie - the one that we all called the family dwarf? How many are gonna be line backers in stead of fleet-footed middle infielders because of genetics? You can change/control habits. You can't change or control genetics.
The insanity of it all.
Good post ggj. This is going the way of the "modeling" agencies for young girls. Designed to separate you from your money - that's all. But, hey, it's your money. |
| Dr. Old School |
Posted - 11/12/2008 : 13:27:29
I think they could have taken a better marketing approach to this showcase. I think most believe that a player ranking system at these ages, would be somewhat incomplete and irrelevant to player's future possibilities.
Had they removed "Ranking" from the heading and just focused on:
Test in the following categories:
*Home to 1B *Arm Velocity
*40 yd Dash *Swing Velocity
*60 yd Dash *Ball Exit Velocity
*Infield Skills *Pitching Skills
*Outfield Skills *Cather's Pop Time
*Hitting Skills
Instruction:
*Hitting *Pitching
*Infield *Outfield
*Baserunning *How to Showcase
Extras:
*3 Games *Pro Players
*Obst. Course *Pro Scouts
*Seminars *College Coaches
*Awards *Guest MLB Appearance
*High Instuctor to player ratio
This might have been more attactive for people to see that there could be benefits to players attending and learning from these activities.
Unfortunately the cost ($595 registration fee) would be the major holdup for most families around that time of the year. |
| mammabee |
Posted - 11/12/2008 : 10:26:16
quote:
Originally posted by WaltDem
Beanball has it pegged . Parents lobbying for there kids to be on the list is the source of ranking information.
A credible and honest list is not doable without a nationwide search to actually see these kids play, other kids play , and then view there season game by game scorebook for statistics.
thats right about the parent sources i know for fact on some of the named ones last year around here localy
no saying ages or names but they were not "all americans" it was just parents doing it for the publicity
thats just what we saw |
| qui-gon.jinn |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 23:18:52
11-14. Wow. And exactly how many of these boys are gonna be playing ball post-puberty? What percentage of boys at this age are even in the ravages of puberty? How many of the young guns are gonna turn out like their ole man? You know the kind, 5'10", 310lbs, can't get out of their own way? Or the exact opposite, whereby mom and dad are 6'6" but jimmy doesn't grow beyond 5'4" - remember auntie annie - the one that we all called the family dwarf? How many are gonna be line backers in stead of fleet-footed middle infielders because of genetics? You can change/control habits. You can't change or control genetics.
The insanity of it all. |
| WaltDem |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 13:51:49
Beanball has it pegged . Parents lobbying for there kids to be on the list is the source of ranking information.
A credible and honest list is not doable without a nationwide search to actually see these kids play, other kids play , and then view there season game by game scorebook for statistics. |
| greglomax |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 12:37:30
ecguy24,
www.amateurbaseballreport.com does these types of showcases as well.
At the younger ages, the concensus is to introduce your son to an evaluation prior to it really meaning something. It is kind of like going to a job interview just for the experience. Learn what you do well and what you need to work on.
Many kids, particularly good ones, never have to go through a serious tryout to make a team and are constantly told how good they are. Then they get to a showcase when they are older and are shocked at the process or find out they have areas of their game that need work. If they had been aware of the need for improvement back when they were 12 or 13, they would have better time to prepare.
As a parent, the challenge is getting someone to truly give you an evaluation without fear of hurting your feelings. If you ask their coach, or another parent, you are typically going to get a sugar coated answer, even if it has some criticism to it. At least with some of these evaluation camps, they evaulate each player based on a set of guidelines and let the chips fall where they may. You can say that Amateur Baseball Report is just trying to sell their magazine, which may very well be correct, but the evaluators at the camps seem to be experienced and do a good job of evaluating. Along with using the same guidelines whether you go to one in GA, AR, TN, NC, or wherever.
I think there is a whole other world out there that many don't pay attention to and think that anyone doing this other stuff is just trying to glorify themselves or their kid. When in reality, more times than not, they are trying to provide their kid more experience that can help them when they are older. |
| toprank |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 10:46:29
There is a group out of South Carolina I believe that actually holds show cases for as young as 12 years old. They put out stats on running times etc. I think it costs like $100.00 to tryout. I would say it's a waste of money, however a friend of mine had his son do it and said he believes it gives them a chance to do this at an early age so when he does things like this as he gets older, he isn't in shock of what to expect. http://jrdiamondprospects.com/ |
| greglomax |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 10:35:38
Travel Ball Select does come up with a All America 1st, 2nd, and 3rd teams for each of those age brackets. They do not rank them just list the players as making one of these teams.
They keep up with the top teams throughout the season and do a team ranking as well. |
| GotTheTShirt |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 10:12:10
Just got the following from perfect game:
"Now, Perfect Game USA is introducing Perfect Game Youth. Perfect Game Youth (PGY) main intent is to help identify, develop, and educate the top players in the country in the 11 to 14 year old age groups to help them reach their baseball goals. PGY will be conducting two national invitational events during the holidays this year. These 2 events are invitation only and will be conducted by current and former major league players and coaches."
The East Division Holiday Showcase will have a guest appearance by
Albert Pujols at the South Orange Sports Youth Complex in Kissimmee,
FL - Dec 28 -30
As a respected supporter of youth baseball, PGY would like to have your opinion in recommending the top players in your area as soon as possible, as the events are growing near and the spots in each age group will fill quickly. Again, these two events will feature the top players in the country in each age group. For more info on Perfect Game Youth, go to http://www.perfectgameyouth.com and click on National Holiday Showcase.
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| beanball |
Posted - 11/10/2008 : 09:31:51
CoachDan
Don't you understand that the a parents, mostly dads, out there who need to see their player on some nationally ranked list. I actually recieved a mailing last year trying to get me to have my son's listed in a directory of elite travel players. My son is a good player, he is not elite. These we are all scams designed to separate you from your $$$. |
| coachdan06 |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 23:33:57
ranking 10U to 14U boys is far past the edge of perspective and reality - these boys would not be yet in high school and some not yet in middle school .
So who could possibly know even a tiny fraction of the million+ players out there for those ages to create the ranking order . 
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| sdrhitman4 |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 19:07:18
I think you're referring to http://www.travelballselect.com/
I hope this helps.
Shon R. |
| bball-fan |
Posted - 11/09/2008 : 18:56:07
There is the Perfect Game that ranks players, but they are only high school. |
