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| turntwo |
Posted - 06/03/2015 : 10:39:41
At what point do parents FINALLY assume their son's role in this wacky game of baseball?
It seems to be the longer I'm around this sport, the TEAM aspect is becoming more of a thing of the past. WHY? WHY is baseball becoming more and more self-centered and selfish? I hear parents at the parks during tournaments, practices, or even on the board here that seem to SOLELY be worried about lil Johnny. Just him. Where HE is playing. Where HE is batting. Complaining about coach, his choices, other players-- ANYTHING they can instead of accepting coach's decision. How many have over heard (or said it themselves), "It's ok son, we lost because of him or him, not you, you did great!" Really? Did he do "great"? Perfect at the plate and in the field? Could he have done more? Seems self-centered and selfish. Me, me, me, my son, my son, my son.
At what age, do mom and dad 1- take off the rose-colored biased glasses, and 2- accept that coach is attempting to put lil Johnny where he BEST helps, or least hurts THE TEAM? If Johnny has a natural ability to track fly balls, and has the speed of a Cheetah where would a knowledgeable coach put him? Center field? I'd say so, but mom/dad complain that while that's where he's the greatest assest, that position is NOT as "premier" or doesn't warrant enough bragging rights for mom and dad.
Now, I get the argument of "he's my son, if I don't watch out and try to help him who will?"... I get it. And, I'm also as competitive as the next person, and may not always agree with a coach's choice, whether it involve my son or not-- such as if a team has 3-4 viable options at a position, but the coach continues to go to player A time after time, and player A continues to hemorrhage errors, it's like come on coach-- what's the definition of insanity?
I guess I've just always been where 1- I've never tried to influence a coach to position or bat or start my kid in ANY sport (baseball, football, basketball). He earns where he plays, he accepts and assumes his role, and we embrace that and help him become the best he can within that role. 2- I've always told my son's coaches, "whatever you think coach, where ever you see him contributing". Am I a rarity?
Someone posted yesterday, and it REALLY encompassed how I feel about my son-- it was something like, 'I let everyone else compliment and build my son up, it's my job to keep my son humble'-- I love this statement and wish more and more parents followed it. Nobody likes the bragger that ALL you do is talk about how amazing your son is, even after he goes 0-3 with 3K's and 5 errors in the game.
Know and accept your role on the team. Embrace it. The best teams I see on the fields today, aren't the teams full of "entitled" kids, who's parents think they are God's gift, but rather a team full of kids SUPPORTING one another, not worried about individual stats, but rather, how they can best support their team in their ROLE coach has placed them!!!
Rant over. |
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| turntwo |
Posted - 03/30/2017 : 09:58:19
As a new season is gets going, there's some sage advice in this thread. Folks like bballman and HShuler really bring some great perspective. |
| turntwo |
Posted - 08/31/2015 : 17:04:03
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
AGREED! And the excuses when that kid does mess up are absurd! The top 3 are:
1. He's got a new glove" = Um, then why didn't you have it broken in, practice with it, borrow another kids....etc?
2. "The umpire hates our team" = Um, 8 other kids seem to have gotten on base just fine!
3. "The coaches kid plays position X and that's my kids spot so that's why he doesn't play much" = There are 8 other spots on that field, if your kid was really the next Mike Trout he would be playing one of those!
It has become a BAD youth habit for the parent to provide the player with the justification of why they did poorly that day. Me, I'd rather tell my kid that Johnny was better at practice so Johnny got the start! Or my personal favorite that my son adores "Yup, Ump's strike zone was WAY off...I figured that out during strikes 1 and 2, why didn't you?"
OMG, love it! If we start talking parent (or kids') excuses, that could lead to a WHOLE different thread, but now I'll play along...
1. My son is as good, or better, than the other player, but he just doesn't get the opportunity. (What about practice and pool play games, where he's fielding a ripe ol' .150...
2. All the coach's kids get 'prime' positions (there's only 2 coaches). What about the rest of the starters?
3. Coach doesn't have confidence in my kid, so my kid doesn't play to his potential. (I SWEAR to God, I've hear those exact words out of a parents mouth).
4. My kid SHOULD be lead-off hitter. (Please do not look up number of times caught stealing or picked off, as this would blow this parents argument out of the water--- can you say baserunning liability?)
5. My kid was the starting 3B, and 3-hole hitter on his previous team!!! He should be here as well. (Don't worry that his previous team was a rec-ball all-star team, and your team is a Major. Please don't let facts get in the way of emotion).
6. My kid is: the fastest, hardest thrower, best glove. (Yet not one is substantiated by a stop-watch, radar gun, or fielding % stat).
7. My son had a great day! He went 2 for 2 at the dish, and struck 4 people out while pitching. (Again, don't look too deep into details, where my son got picked off once, and caught stealing another. And don't look at how he got shelled by the hitters that didn't strikeout, and his errors while on the bump).
I haven't made it to the umps yet. Bad calls will be made. Umps will be inconsistent. And at our age, if you get spanked 13-2, NO number of 'bad calls' will reverse the fact that you got your a$$ handed to you.
That's for the flash back of "excuses". |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/31/2015 : 16:22:36
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
[quote]Originally posted by BBall123
... Realistically evaluate your kid, discuss with him, compare him to others that are similar. Get a good grip on who HE is and what he can do....[quote]
The basis of my entire feeling. It's the 8-12 yr old parents that maybe are not 100% realistic in their evaluation. The one's that make the excuses for their kids not succeeding. You'd be amazed at the number of the next coming of Mike Trout's I hear about, while hanging around a youth tournament.
AGREED! And the excuses when that kid does mess up are absurd! The top 3 are:
1. He's got a new glove" = Um, then why didn't you have it broken in, practice with it, borrow another kids....etc?
2. "The umpire hates our team" = Um, 8 other kids seem to have gotten on base just fine!
3. "The coaches kid plays position X and that's my kids spot so that's why he doesn't play much" = There are 8 other spots on that field, if your kid was really the next Mike Trout he would be playing one of those!
It has become a BAD youth habit for the parent to provide the player with the justification of why they did poorly that day. Me, I'd rather tell my kid that Johnny was better at practice so Johnny got the start! Or my personal favorite that my son adores "Yup, Ump's strike zone was WAY off...I figured that out during strikes 1 and 2, why didn't you?" |
| turntwo |
Posted - 08/31/2015 : 15:49:35
[quote]Originally posted by BBall123
... Realistically evaluate your kid, discuss with him, compare him to others that are similar. Get a good grip on who HE is and what he can do....[quote]
The basis of my entire feeling. It's the 8-12 yr old parents that maybe are not 100% realistic in their evaluation. The one's that make the excuses for their kids not succeeding. You'd be amazed at the number of the next coming of Mike Trout's I hear about, while hanging around a youth tournament. |
| Newbie BB Mom |
Posted - 08/31/2015 : 12:35:34
quote:
Originally posted by BBall123
I agree with you here Newbie Mom. At the higher levels, you perform or you sit. Elite travel ball is a very competitive business. Does not matter what mommy or Daddy says. You already know what your primary position is.
At younger age groups I would say, Have fun, be competitive. Listen to the coach with a "BUT". Realistically evaluate your kid, discuss with him, compare him to others that are similar. Get a good grip on who HE is and what he can do. Then don't let anyone pull you off of that until you are either proven right or wrong. There is a point where you have to believe in your son and stick behind him 1000% no matter who says what. If you (your son and you) don't have that faith and commitment I don't think you can make it through. Coaches, Program Directors, Organization owners have responsibility's, those responsibility's create agenda's. I just feel like you have to know your kid and stay on course, don't let someone that may not have your kids best interest as his 100% goal as opposed to his business or his sponsors, his boosters etc. take you off your course that you with proper evaluation know is right for your kid. There are a lot of coaches, organizations, programs, teams out there, they are concerned about themselves and their businesses. Not saying they don't care about the kids, but what comes first their business and livelihood or your kid? Its very competitive and you must believe in yourself to be able to compete.quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
I seriously do not see what all the griping is about. Since my kid started playing travel ball I have not seen any evidence of participation awards. Every trophy, t-shirt, or award my kid has received as a travel ball player has been earned. Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned. Are you all playing in an alternate universe where all the travel teams hand out participation trophies? Competition is alive and well in baseball, just not in ordinary rec ball. And that's just fine.
I agree with CaCo, there is no need to wrench the participation trophy out of a 6-year-old rec ball player's hands. Plenty of time when he's older to introduce him to the dog-eat-dog world of competitive baseball and the fact of life that sometimes our best effort will not be enough.
Thanks BBall123, voices like yours and bballman's are much needed here to add perspective from those who have already gone through it and not just survived, but thrived. (Good luck to your son going forward, although it sounds like he doesn't need it!) |
| BBall123 |
Posted - 08/31/2015 : 10:55:54
I agree with you here Newbie Mom. At the higher levels, you perform or you sit. Elite travel ball is a very competitive business. Does not matter what mommy or Daddy says. You already know what your primary position is.
At younger age groups I would say, Have fun, be competitive. Listen to the coach with a "BUT". Realistically evaluate your kid, discuss with him, compare him to others that are similar. Get a good grip on who HE is and what he can do. Then don't let anyone pull you off of that until you are either proven right or wrong. There is a point where you have to believe in your son and stick behind him 1000% no matter who says what. If you (your son and you) don't have that faith and commitment I don't think you can make it through. Coaches, Program Directors, Organization owners have responsibility's, those responsibility's create agenda's. I just feel like you have to know your kid and stay on course, don't let someone that may not have your kids best interest as his 100% goal as opposed to his business or his sponsors, his boosters etc. take you off your course that you with proper evaluation know is right for your kid. There are a lot of coaches, organizations, programs, teams out there, they are concerned about themselves and their businesses. Not saying they don't care about the kids, but what comes first their business and livelihood or your kid? Its very competitive and you must believe in yourself to be able to compete.quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
I seriously do not see what all the griping is about. Since my kid started playing travel ball I have not seen any evidence of participation awards. Every trophy, t-shirt, or award my kid has received as a travel ball player has been earned. Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned. Are you all playing in an alternate universe where all the travel teams hand out participation trophies? Competition is alive and well in baseball, just not in ordinary rec ball. And that's just fine.
I agree with CaCo, there is no need to wrench the participation trophy out of a 6-year-old rec ball player's hands. Plenty of time when he's older to introduce him to the dog-eat-dog world of competitive baseball and the fact of life that sometimes our best effort will not be enough.
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| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/26/2015 : 08:56:37
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned.
Is EVERY players spot on the team "earned"??? Because, if so, I'd pay DOUBLE to be on that team... ZERO carry overs from year over prior, always a clean slate. ALL must re-EARN their position every season? ZERO dad's involved with the team or ANY decision making processes.... THAT situation sounds like a "alternate universe"...
I have heard of an organization like this. Every year all kids must re-earn their spots and they are coached by paid coaching. That makes it expensive, but as you said, you would pay double for that. My kid has never played for them but I know many of their staff, please email me if you want the name. |
| Newbie BB Mom |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 17:46:15
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned.
Is EVERY players spot on the team "earned"??? Because, if so, I'd pay DOUBLE to be on that team... ZERO carry overs from year over prior, always a clean slate. ALL must re-EARN their position every season? ZERO dad's involved with the team or ANY decision making processes.... THAT situation sounds like a "alternate universe"...
Well, I can't speak for others, but my son went to a tryout and then a coach (who was not his dad and who he did not know from Adam's housecat) called and asked him to be on the team. I would say that is earning your spot.
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| Newbie BB Mom |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 17:35:50
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
I seriously do not see what all the griping is about. Since my kid started playing travel ball I have not seen any evidence of participation awards. Every trophy, t-shirt, or award my kid has received as a travel ball player has been earned. Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned. Are you all playing in an alternate universe where all the travel teams hand out participation trophies? Competition is alive and well in baseball, just not in ordinary rec ball. And that's just fine.
I agree with CaCo, there is no need to wrench the participation trophy out of a 6-year-old rec ball player's hands. Plenty of time when he's older to introduce him to the dog-eat-dog world of competitive baseball and the fact of life that sometimes our best effort will not be enough.
Technically speaking this article wasn't talking about travel ball, where you are absolutely right, you only get trophies if they are earned. There are however rec programs that go up into the teens...and sadly there are trophies awarded every year just for participating.
I was actually referring to the folks who complain here, not the article.
You would think the world of competitive sports was disappearing before our very eyes the way some people carry on. In fact, at least with respect to baseball (and perhaps most organized youth sports), it has probably never been more competitive than it is right now. Instead of "coddling" our young players, we're pushing them to compete aggressively at younger and younger ages, as evidenced by the fact that there is now a 6U folder in this discussion forum. In another year or two there will be a 5U folder because we must protect our kindergarten baseball prodigies from the damaging effects of participation trophies and warm fuzzy coaches who praise effort over results. I'm even waiting for the travel tee ball teams. Surely they are coming.
As for rec park programs, they fill a need the travel ball world can't by introducing young players to the sport in an environment that focuses on fun and learning. At some point, serious baseball players move past that and into travel ball, which is okay.
But rec programs also fill another need that has nothing to do with travel ball. We get in our "travel ball bubble" and forget that there are kids who just want to play baseball for fun, without having to worry about who is better than who. Obviously, most of us here aren't in that world anymore, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a place for it, even for kids who are 15 or 16. Perhaps that 16 year old kid that plays baseball at his local rec park is a high school math olympiad champion, or a track star, or sits first chair violin in his school orchestra, or is going to be a National Merit Scholar next year. He competes in other ways, but plays baseball for fun. That is okay, too. |
| ballsandbats |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 14:26:10
Interestingly, UTrip started this thing last season (i guess that's when they started it) in the 7U and maybe other divisions, where they have the upper flight and lower flight champions. Other organizations do it too. I was particularly bothered when, one weekend, my team did not play well enough to make the upper flight. We went on to win the lower flight. That's fine and dandy. Out of ten teams, my kids finished fifth, right? Wrong. They finished "first" and received first place rings. This REALLY bothered me. They received the same rings as the kids who finished first in the upper flight. One of my kids screamed, "we won the championship." We had to have a teaching moment. I would argue that "participation trophies" at the end of season banquet as a symbol of participation are fine and do nothing to warp kids. First place rings for finishing in sixth place have the real potential to harm. My team did award superlative trophies at the end of the season. But each kid received one. Now before I get backlash, each superlative was tied to the kids' contribution. So there was an MVP, just like there was a good sport award. My son won defensive player of the year. He wanted MVP. I told him he'd have to earn it. So, hopefully, there was something positive out of it. This is a very interesting subject! |
| turntwo |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 13:36:13
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned.
Is EVERY players spot on the team "earned"??? Because, if so, I'd pay DOUBLE to be on that team... ZERO carry overs from year over prior, always a clean slate. ALL must re-EARN their position every season? ZERO dad's involved with the team or ANY decision making processes.... THAT situation sounds like a "alternate universe"...
Seriously though, as Rippit said,
quote:
At some point, schools started putting pressure on head coaches to reward little Johnny if daddy was a big booster. Those daddies must not have ever won anything legitimately, so they decided to control the future and and their kid and start buying success for lil Johnny. So the infamous "coaches award" was born and daddy ball began. Ultimately, the other stuff got phased out and then all little kids everywhere started getting a trophy just to show up.
The point of my original post, and the Harrison quote, is parents quit thinking/feeling their son's are ENTITLED to anything. Accept the coach's decisions, and respect your role. Want a better role? Earn it. (Or pitch a fit, feel entitled, go do daddy ball, whatever). Harrison, for good, bad, or indifferent, said what most feel is 'taboo' in the competitive sports arena these days.... The entitlement mindset of kids (and I'm including parents as well). In the real world, there are winners and losers. In the workforce, you're promoted if you EARN It-- not because daddy bought it. Not because mommy complained enough for it. And while the adage of, "Hard work pays off", well, in reality, sometimes it does, but ya know what, sometimes it doesn't. No matter how hard you tried, or work for something, sometimes your best just isn't good enough. Again, it's called life. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 13:30:49
quote:
Originally posted by Newbie BB Mom
I seriously do not see what all the griping is about. Since my kid started playing travel ball I have not seen any evidence of participation awards. Every trophy, t-shirt, or award my kid has received as a travel ball player has been earned. Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned. Are you all playing in an alternate universe where all the travel teams hand out participation trophies? Competition is alive and well in baseball, just not in ordinary rec ball. And that's just fine.
I agree with CaCo, there is no need to wrench the participation trophy out of a 6-year-old rec ball player's hands. Plenty of time when he's older to introduce him to the dog-eat-dog world of competitive baseball and the fact of life that sometimes our best effort will not be enough.
Technically speaking this article wasn't talking about travel ball, where you are absolutely right, you only get trophies if they are earned. There are however rec programs that go up into the teens...and sadly there are trophies awarded every year just for participating.
My son use to play rec ball out of Hobgood, I liked their system. Only first and second place teams got actual trophies, the rest of the "participation trophies" were actually small metals on a necklace. I thought that was a nice compromise that the kid got something to remember their 9u baseball season...BUT...it wasn't a trophy. |
| Newbie BB Mom |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 11:37:54
I seriously do not see what all the griping is about. Since my kid started playing travel ball I have not seen any evidence of participation awards. Every trophy, t-shirt, or award my kid has received as a travel ball player has been earned. Even his spot on said travel teams has been earned. Are you all playing in an alternate universe where all the travel teams hand out participation trophies? Competition is alive and well in baseball, just not in ordinary rec ball. And that's just fine.
I agree with CaCo, there is no need to wrench the participation trophy out of a 6-year-old rec ball player's hands. Plenty of time when he's older to introduce him to the dog-eat-dog world of competitive baseball and the fact of life that sometimes our best effort will not be enough. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 11:18:40
quote:
Originally posted by AllStar
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!!
Did they cry and whine until they got a trophy? I never read that anywhere. It's not their fault that participation trophies are handed out at end of season parties. Maybe they shouldn't participate in the post-game juice box/snacks because, you know, the boss doesn't give you a Rice Krispie treat just for showing up and doing your job. smh
Maybe he can take the video of all his cheap shots and explain to them why they are OK.
Typical Steeler bs.
LOLOLOL!!!!! Seriously, I looked up some of those and WOW! |
| rippit |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 11:08:39
I remember "back in the day" too. Teams had MVPs and nobody quit or cried if they didn't get it.You dreamed about it, worked your butt off to try and win it the next year, and the entire team was the beneficiary of that hard work.
At some point, schools started putting pressure on head coaches to reward little Johnny if daddy was a big booster. Those daddies must not have ever won anything legitimately, so they decided to control the future and and their kid and start buying success for lil Johnny. So the infamous "coaches award" was born and daddy ball began. Ultimately, the other stuff got phased out and then all little kids everywhere started getting a trophy just to show up.
A giant shelf with all my kid's stuff fell off the wall several years ago and smashed most of it to pieces. Some was fixable - but nobody fixed any of it. Didn't mean anything to him.
Now there are several items that do mean something to him and those have been put in a special place forever - but those are few and far between. He worked hard for those, his team worked hard for those, which is why they stand out.
Give credit where credit is due, not demanded. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 10:23:13
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!!
Did they cry and whine until they got a trophy? I never read that anywhere. It's not their fault that participation trophies are handed out at end of season parties. Maybe they shouldn't participate in the post-game juice box/snacks because, you know, the boss doesn't give you a Rice Krispie treat just for showing up and doing your job. smh
Maybe he can take the video of all his cheap shots and explain to them why they are OK.
Typical Steeler bs. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/25/2015 : 08:41:00
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!!
Did you know his kids are 8 and 6? I think it's kind of sad to take away a 6 year old's trophy...my daughter got one for being on the tumble bus in her pre-K and she gave it a place of honor in her room and shows it to everyone. Personally I think it gives her some motivation to EARN more.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2015/08/20/participation-trophies-kids-children-james-harrison/32013681/
I did/do know their ages. It's a moot point. Again, Harrison doesn't want to raise "entitled" kids. I completely agree. EARN it. And even when you do your best-- it may STILL not be good enough. Oh well. It's called: Life.
Should a 13u kid get a participation trophy, no. Do I think a Kindergartner should be told they didn't EARN that trophy they are so proud of so it's being taking away until they earn one, no, I just think that's mean. I see no value in explaining to a 6 year old why he/she isn't good enough because they haven't accomplished a great thing yet, they can't even read how great of a thing can you accomplish at 6? I'd rather explain that if she wants s BIG trophy like Bubba's she has to earn it, but I'm fine letting her have her little plastic trophy.
We will have to agree to disagree on this one, that's what makes parenting so much fun! No instruction manual, let's all just wing it and hope for the best! |
| hshuler |
Posted - 08/24/2015 : 16:49:22
I agree as well.
Back in prehistoric times when I played, you got a certificate of participation (which no one framed and probably didn't take out of the car) but they gave out highly-coveted superlative trophies. I had a pretty large collection of trophies from grade school, high school and college but my 13 year-old probably has more. And because a large number of his are participation, he was over trophies by 10 years - old. He would much rather have a t-shirt. Chick's dig t-shirts...lol!
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| dad4kids |
Posted - 08/24/2015 : 16:30:20
Harrison would rather generate a ton of media attention for himself over letting his six year old have a meaningless award. Someone give him a non-participation award trophy.
As far as reaction to the poor play of teammates, I always tell my kid to he should be picking his teammate up if they make a mistake. Do your job even harder for them just as they're gonna do when you make a mistake. That reminds them that they sink or swim together and should be fighting for each other. Obviously, it's harder to do when you got a primadonna on the team.
"It's a team sport, so I gotta put this loss squarely on the shoulder's of my supporting cast. I've been carrying these guys all year.... Leon can't do everything!!"
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| turntwo |
Posted - 08/24/2015 : 15:39:03
quote:
Originally posted by CaCO3Girl
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!!
Did you know his kids are 8 and 6? I think it's kind of sad to take away a 6 year old's trophy...my daughter got one for being on the tumble bus in her pre-K and she gave it a place of honor in her room and shows it to everyone. Personally I think it gives her some motivation to EARN more.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2015/08/20/participation-trophies-kids-children-james-harrison/32013681/
I did/do know their ages. It's a moot point. Again, Harrison doesn't want to raise "entitled" kids. I completely agree. EARN it. And even when you do your best-- it may STILL not be good enough. Oh well. It's called: Life. |
| CaCO3Girl |
Posted - 08/24/2015 : 13:32:23
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!!
Did you know his kids are 8 and 6? I think it's kind of sad to take away a 6 year old's trophy...my daughter got one for being on the tumble bus in her pre-K and she gave it a place of honor in her room and shows it to everyone. Personally I think it gives her some motivation to EARN more.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2015/08/20/participation-trophies-kids-children-james-harrison/32013681/
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| Kory |
Posted - 08/24/2015 : 11:58:20
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Originally posted by turntwo
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!!
Yes, this was really good. I completely agree. Football has always been this way in our area. You have to make the 'ship to get hardware.
Another thing about knowing your role as a parent: Don't come on a message board and hype your kid as if he is the next Trout, only to have him show at tryouts acting like an entitled baby and talking smack to all that would listen. Including to kids who have been on the team for several years. It doesn't really look good. Especially when he is talking about how short the field is, only to foul off nearly every bp ball thrown his way. As parents we have to keep the kids grounded and be realistic about their skillset and ability so they can focus on areas to improve. |
| turntwo |
Posted - 08/24/2015 : 09:26:40
So... I think James Harrison may have said it best:
"I came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing, participation trophies! While I am very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them till the day I die, these trophies will be given back until they EARN a real trophy. I'm sorry I'm not sorry for believing that everything in life should be earned and I'm not about to raise two boys to be men by making them believe that they are entitled to something just because they tried their best...cause sometimes your best is not enough, and that should drive you to want to do better...not cry and whine until somebody gives you something to shut u up and keep you happy. #harrisonfamilyvalues"
The highlighted part is my NEW favorite all-time quote!!! |
| bfriendly |
Posted - 06/24/2015 : 23:23:16
This thread just took off and became an AWESOME read! Our team last year had too many kids that would let emotions effect their performance and subsequently, the entire team.....
I watched a Pitcher throw an AWESOME Change up for a strike and was so pumped up he even did a little fist pump......I knew at that point, he was Doomed. As soon as the next pitch went into the dirt, the head went Down, shoulders down to the elbows. It was pretty sad to watch.
When I practice pitching with my kid I always pay attention to his emotions....When he Smiles after a nasty cutter or slider that starts at the batter but bends in and catches the corner(LIKE ITS SUPPOSED TO), I ask him "what are you smiling about?" Isn't that what your supposed to do?
I remember hearing Chipper talk about(on Driven?) how his dad Always asked him what More he could do, even after he had a Great Game.....I try to take that approach and it seems to work.
I dont want anyone to think I bully my own kid, but I am very tough on him and expect A lot out of him....... he led his team in just about every stat possible this past season and he kept his emotions in check as well as or better than anyone else on the team. More than likely its because we worked on it at home........I dont think it comes natural for everyone. Some yes, most no.
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| bballman |
Posted - 06/18/2015 : 15:48:51
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Originally posted by hshuler
I knew you could explain it better than I could...lol!
I talk with my college coach (who is currently a scout) pretty often and bad body language is not a label you want on your kid. He recently talked about a kid who had first round talent but was a "fairweather player" in his words. Kid was okay until he faced some adversity. His exact words were 'we're not paying for that!' Translation - we would only draft him if we could get him several rounds later at major discount.
Again, I used examples of what's not acceptable (in my opinion) and am specifically talking kids that let one bad thing ruin their night.
Here's a quote from a poster on another message board that I go to. The topic was whether or not it was a good thing if a head coach wanted to see a prospect that the recruiting coordinator had identified. It pretty much sums up the question about body language and not letting a failure affect you:
"I would say it's a good thing....but it can also work both ways. Last summer, my son had an RC that really liked him....even though he was really struggling at the plate. The HC came to a game near the end of a 4-week rut that my son was in. Son struck out twice....then went out to third the next inning...proceeded to mope around like a 12 year old....and the HC told the RC...."No way...don't even both bringing him for a visit"." |
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