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Posted - 09/11/2008 : 15:31:32
As the new and renewed rosters are shaking out who looks like the 10U team to beat in 2009? |
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| clubhousebaseball1 |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 13:01:06
I have to agree with highcheese. Good thoughts and insight. |
| Boss Power |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 22:57:35
I had a chance to see the Stixx play this weekend, that team swings the bat. They lost to Holly Springs one time, it should have been twice. They got some help from some BAD UMPS. But I would luv to see Stixx and The Bandits get together. P.S. Watch out for the Southern Dodgers I think the are getting it together. |
| CoachMark |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:32:58
quote:
Originally posted by highcheese
Couple of things to think about when teaching kids pitching. First off is mechanics, if your mechanics are off I do not care what kinda of pitch you throw it will end up putting extreme pressure on places in your shoulder and elbow you do not want it to. I firmly believe that pitching at least until you hit puberty should be done under adult supervision, and really until they are done with all the growing they are going to do. The second you tell Johnny to go warm up and pitch with out supervision he will be cranking his body in postions you never thought possible, kids are kids. Speaking from many years of experience with the only thing that has affected my arm which is old age. Kids need to through strikes first, never teach him an off speed pitch if he cannot get a strike over the plate, you will be creating more chances for error. When he can throw a strike and locate it, then introduce a STRAIGHT change, which is a fast ball form and arm motion with a slightly different grip, Several different grips out there according to the size of the little guys hand. Some of these kids through a great straight change with a four fingered choked grip over the horseshoe seam. Once your guy can master the straight change motion, then location of it you can move onto other things. Critical here to master the mechanics and the confidence. The confidence part is a piece many coaches never address in pitching. I f you get to this point you may have a good little pitcher on you hands that does not have arm trouble, good mechanics, and throws Strikes. This is a process you cannot rush. Some kids take to it and others take longer - coaching involved here. Now you have something to work with and can introduce other ways to make the ball move. Another important note and coaching note here - with two pitches that can be thrown for strikes, teach the little guy when and where to throw them, do not leave him out there to wonder. Now you fool with the movement of the ball with two seams, fourseams, the horseshoe etc. DO this by changing finger pressure on the index or the middle finger. Please do not do this by changing arm angles and twisting motions. An inside fastball with movement either way is just as effective as a cranked out curve. A fast ball that looks outside and comes back to kiss the corner is a pull hitters nightmare. See where I am going here. You can now teach the kid more pitching, placement and movement, how to read batters, positional pitching etc... By now someone has said to you, wow he is a good pitcher, when is he going to throw a curve? I suggest having a curve in the arsenal after puberty, no matter what a win at all cost coach or an over bearing parent wants to do when the kid is little, do not do it until he is older. I do not care how good an athelete he is or how mature you think he is, do not do it, he is still a kid. Sorry to rant a little but I know many pitchers who are very successful and the curve ball is way down the list of pitches to throw.
Are there nominations for Post of the Year? If so, this is my nominee. |
| highcheese |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 23:46:17
I will check it out. Tell your guys at that age to drink some milk once in awhile too, Toughen up those bones. Just another point guys. these kids at 9, 10, and 11 are all gumbies and have no clue as to stretching and warming up the muscles and keeping them warm. Us old guys have to stretch in order to get a cup of coffee. try to teach them early the fundamentals of stretching properly too. When they hit that puberty curtain they will sure thank you for the training. An often forgotten part of little kids sports |
| Peanutsr |
Posted - 04/20/2009 : 08:24:39
Great post Highcheese.
In case anyone is wondering why Dr.'s recomend waiting until puberty to start throwing breaking balls, that is the point at which the growth plate in the elbow turns from cartilage into solid bone.
Here is a link to an extremely informative video from Dr. David Marshal at Childrens Healthcare of Atlanta.
http://www.clubhousegas.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=135 |
| bmoser |
Posted - 04/17/2009 : 23:37:05
This Highcheese guy makes a lot of sense to me. Confidence and Pitch selection. Quite simple. Nice post! I like learning from this site as much as I like spewing. |
| highcheese |
Posted - 04/17/2009 : 19:56:59
Couple of things to think about when teaching kids pitching. First off is mechanics, if your mechanics are off I do not care what kinda of pitch you throw it will end up putting extreme pressure on places in your shoulder and elbow you do not want it to. I firmly believe that pitching at least until you hit puberty should be done under adult supervision, and really until they are done with all the growing they are going to do. The second you tell Johnny to go warm up and pitch with out supervision he will be cranking his body in postions you never thought possible, kids are kids. Speaking from many years of experience with the only thing that has affected my arm which is old age. Kids need to through strikes first, never teach him an off speed pitch if he cannot get a strike over the plate, you will be creating more chances for error. When he can throw a strike and locate it, then introduce a STRAIGHT change, which is a fast ball form and arm motion with a slightly different grip, Several different grips out there according to the size of the little guys hand. Some of these kids through a great straight change with a four fingered choked grip over the horseshoe seam. Once your guy can master the straight change motion, then location of it you can move onto other things. Critical here to master the mechanics and the confidence. The confidence part is a piece many coaches never address in pitching. I f you get to this point you may have a good little pitcher on you hands that does not have arm trouble, good mechanics, and throws Strikes. This is a process you cannot rush. Some kids take to it and others take longer - coaching involved here. Now you have something to work with and can introduce other ways to make the ball move. Another important note and coaching note here - with two pitches that can be thrown for strikes, teach the little guy when and where to throw them, do not leave him out there to wonder. Now you fool with the movement of the ball with two seams, fourseams, the horseshoe etc. DO this by changing finger pressure on the index or the middle finger. Please do not do this by changing arm angles and twisting motions. An inside fastball with movement either way is just as effective as a cranked out curve. A fast ball that looks outside and comes back to kiss the corner is a pull hitters nightmare. See where I am going here. You can now teach the kid more pitching, placement and movement, how to read batters, positional pitching etc... By now someone has said to you, wow he is a good pitcher, when is he going to throw a curve? I suggest having a curve in the arsenal after puberty, no matter what a win at all cost coach or an over bearing parent wants to do when the kid is little, do not do it until he is older. I do not care how good an athelete he is or how mature you think he is, do not do it, he is still a kid. Sorry to rant a little but I know many pitchers who are very successful and the curve ball is way down the list of pitches to throw. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 04/16/2009 : 14:56:41
Titan1,
I like that approach. Alter the grip to see what movement you can get, but throw it exactly like a fastball. |
| Peanutsr |
Posted - 04/16/2009 : 08:47:18
Hey clubhouse, while the coaches are partialy to blame, you also have to place some ( I think the majority ) of the blame on the parents.
Unless they are completely ignorant of anything to do with baseball and are placeing complete trust in the coach,then it is their responsibility to stand up to the coach and stop it.
Stud daddies reliving their glory years through their sons who are too macho to listen to reason and common sense.
Five or Six years from now when their kids arm is shot and they have no chance of making the High School team, this same dad will be blaming the little league coach for "overpitching" his son. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 04/16/2009 : 08:12:39
Back in Papa's day to throw the curve you would snap or turn your wrist. I have seen some of the professional pitching instructors teach what some call the football pitch which is held and thrown like you throw the football. This is a wicked pitch if thrown right but I do not really know if it is hurting the child's arm or not. I am not a professional in this field but most of the coaches that I know would not ever put a child in peril of hurting his arm knowing that this was being done. but then again if the Coaches and/or parents are being misinformed then this is the place to get the correct information on record. The East Cobb Coaches looked at this pitch during one of the tryouts last year and thought at first that it was a curve and would not allow it to be thrown but then after a closer look they agreed that it was not putting pressure on the child's arm. I am not saying that any pitch is right or wrong. I am only saying that we need to make the right call on this one and not be guessing. |
| Titan1 |
Posted - 04/15/2009 : 22:36:07
bmoser: I have several kids on my team that throw a weird change up but they have been told over and over again to throw it like a fastball. Never once I they been told ( and I have asked) to break their wrist.They where taught a grip and told throw it like a fastball with the same arm motion. We checked with a local doctor at a sports medicine hospital and he thought it was fine. The pitch was taught to my kids by a coach who is a local pitching coach. He was told when we first started to talk about teaching them a second pitch that I did not want them to throw curves for at least the next couple of years. |
| 10 BB |
Posted - 04/15/2009 : 22:05:10
Kenny I will be out of my house for the weekend at Pensacola for the wood bat,how much would my house be worth to you. PaPa we would love for the Bandits to come to PC April 24 for the NIT at the beach . (tournament director Eric Ervin 850-450-8293) |
| bmoser |
Posted - 04/15/2009 : 21:55:39
When I brought up the same concern, I was told by a Coach on the team that the boy in question was throwing a "change up"! Like I cant tell the difference. Even some well respected NWBA bloggers doubted my claims.
Like you, I have seen these funky "change ups" being thrown by 3 or 4 pitchers. Some only as an out pitch, others much more frequently. You will NOT get egocentric Dad/Coaches to listen to you. I look at it as less competition for my kid later on in high school try outs when their kids are playing in the band! Give it up...I have...its just a weird change up. B-T-W the weird change up has cost the team I saw 2 tournaments now. The change up got pounded by 2 teams who had no problem with it. Live and learn.
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Originally posted by clubhousebaseball1
I have been sitting here watching a lot of chatter about speed in pitching. Does anyone care to comment on why a coach would allow a boy to throw curve balls at 10 years old? I know of some of these boys you are talking about who claim to be hitting speeds of 60+ but I also saw these same boys snapping the ball to make it curve. They claim it is just the way they throw it, but I have been around baseball a long time. They are throwing a curve ball. If you throw that hard, why not learn to throw a change up effectively and save your arm for something important like playing for years to come. I saw 3 boys in a as many tournaments thoring them and it was supported by the umpires. I am not impressed at all in these boys or coaches that opt for this pitch at this age. If a coach shows a boy something that makes the ball move and tells him if you do just a little more twisting with youre arm it will curve, what do you think a 10 year old will do? I am a little concerned about some of these coaches we have out there looking for 10 year old glory at all expense.
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| 10 BB |
Posted - 04/15/2009 : 18:24:04
I tell you what, the whole Stixx team and family is invited to stay at my house in the yard in your on tents. You all can shower under my waterhose. I'll even run a cord out there for a fan (bring your on fan). If yall do this I would gladly serve breakfast to everyone. Im sorry the accommodations can't be better, because yes I to am in need of a government bailout. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 04/15/2009 : 16:45:57
Biz won't have enough room for the Stixx as the Bandits have first choice of rooms with a view. Bandits will furnish the labor for the steak cook out and Biz will furnish the steaks. |
| clubhousebaseball1 |
Posted - 04/15/2009 : 13:21:49
I have been sitting here watching a lot of chatter about speed in pitching. Does anyone care to comment on why a coach would allow a boy to throw curve balls at 10 years old? I know of some of these boys you are talking about who claim to be hitting speeds of 60+ but I also saw these same boys snapping the ball to make it curve. They claim it is just the way they throw it, but I have been around baseball a long time. They are throwing a curve ball. If you throw that hard, why not learn to throw a change up effectively and save your arm for something important like playing for years to come. I saw 3 boys in a as many tournaments thoring them and it was supported by the umpires. I am not impressed at all in these boys or coaches that opt for this pitch at this age. If a coach shows a boy something that makes the ball move and tells him if you do just a little more twisting with youre arm it will curve, what do you think a 10 year old will do? I am a little concerned about some of these coaches we have out there looking for 10 year old glory at all expense. |
| Stixxbaseball |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 22:57:41
Hey Biz,
Since you live in PC, I'm sure you wouldn't mind putting up our kids and families for the weekend if we come down. We would settle for just a continental breakfast and a home cooked meal consisting of steak and seafood for dinner. We don't want to impose so we will take care of lunch ourselves. Is this too much to ask?
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| 10 BB |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 17:55:15
I say this, we have not played in Panama City yet ,traveled to every tournament and haven't had an easy pool game yet. We are 18-2 With 3 tournament wins. We stayed in Atlanta for a night of swimming at the Spring Frost and got sent home early at the S-NIT. Last were going to play another away tournament a wood bat in Pensacola. If any of you have played them you know it's a whole different ball game. But thats travelball!! Any of you wanting to travel come to Panama City Beach April 24-26 for the ASP USSSA Battle On The Beach NIT .This tournament is put on by Florida's USSSA State Director Eric Ervin so it's a great tournament. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 14:05:44
TITAN
I agree that the Stixx travel well, so will put them right in there with the Bandits. It was not the Stixx I was referring to as needing to get out of the nest. Funny how the teams who subject themselves to the entire travel baseball experience wind up being the best. It takes a lot of special qualities (and cash) to do this, and then succeed at it. I think once a team can beat just about everybody in their area, and find themsleves playing the same teams in the brackets time and time again, its time to fly, if you can afford it. |
| Titan1 |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 13:22:26
bmoser,
I can agree that things will work themselves out by the end of the season but as of right now I think the almost general consensus would be that Bandits and Stixx are the two top dogs. Like the Bandits, Stixx will travel and will win. They have traveled to Florida twice this year and came away with a second place( losing to Gulf Coast Lightening) and a first place. I can see this trend continuing. I love to travel to Atlanta and play against the big dogs even when we lose. I subcribe to baseballpapa's rule, "to be the best you have to play the best".We have travelled all over this state to play and I am beginning to plan trips out of state but for my parents and for my kids we also play in some of the local tournaments. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 12:30:28
baseball99: You are especially right about 1 thing and that is Mizuno has the best hitting team that even I have ever seen. And once our Ace was through so was the Bandits. But believe me when I tell you that the Bandits weak areas are being worked on. You also failed to mention that Mizuno didn't appear to be able to hem a hog up in a ditch and that that on any given day that they can be beaten. And then you proved my very point in that any team can be beaten on any given day and that one thing is what keeps up all coming back to the ball park. Papa has a saying that goes something like this. The Sun doesn't shine on the same dog's ----- all the time. And my last question is this. In a big game, What serves a team the best? Great pitching and solid defense or great hitting. In my years of playing and watching this game I think I would go with the pitching and defense as these strenghts are solid and do not seem to disappear as quickly as the hitting does sometimes. This post had a real good topic on this very topic "Pitching vs. Hitting"
And if you watched the game with Mizuno you also know that the Bandits lit their second tier pitching up and they were forced to bring in their Big Lefty that was their ACE.
We look forward to the rematch win or lose as this is the best team that the Bandits have ever faced and that includes the San Diego Stars. Yes, Papa just admitted that this Mizuno Glory team is the best we have ever played and though we didn't enjoy the results, we definitely enjoyed the experience as it only made us hungrier and yes even made us better. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 11:27:35
Titan1:
I can totally agree with 1 of your top 4 picks (Bandits), and agree that the other 3 have looked strong too, but I'm holding out until I see these teams play out of town.
Being from Macon, you may not now that we have 3 groups of teams here. The 1st group only occasionally play outside East Cobb. The 2nd group seldom go to East Cobb. A small 3rd group plays everywhere.
I need to see more intermingling at neutral sites. I want to see how teams react to strange environments, unfamiliar umps, bad game times, terrible pool draws, raucous home town fans, long drives, unfamiliar opponents... the whole travel ball experience.
By season's end, hopefully all the teams who look really good playing in their own backyard will have traveled so we can judge them all fairly. The economy isn't helping things much for sure.
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| baseball99 |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 09:19:25
Baseballpapa is too modest sometimes. The Bandits strengths are:
Pitching - their Ace is a lefty who throws in the mid 60's with a great cur ... I mean change up. If you do put the ball in play, likely it will not be hard hit and their defense will get you out. They will also work the outside part of the plate with precision.
Defense - very solid defensively and it's hard to hit the ball hard against them due to their precise pitching.
Base running - once on base, they will advance around the paths and they will put the ball in play behind those runners. Mostly, I've seen them put up a couple of runs per inning until they have put up 10 to 15 runs by the end of the game.
Getting on base - if they can't hit your pitcher, they will bunt, crowd the plate to draw walks, whatever they have to do to get on base.
For the most part, they win with good pitching, defense and small ball. They have a couple of players that have power at the plate but they are just 10 year old kids and they aren't perfect. Just very good.
The reason they lost to Mizuno is that Mizuno has the best hitting team I have ever seen. Once the Bandits pulled their Ace, the score got lopsided in Mizuno's favor.
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Originally posted by baseballpapa
Bandits stand at 25-1 at this early point in the season losing only to the Mizuno Glory at the Atlanta Super NIT and led 5-3 late in this defeat. The record does not reflect that there were many very close games that could have gone either way. The record also does not reflect that there are many local Atlanta teams that are very capable of beating us on any given day. We have been more than fortunate to win these close games and know that playing the caliber of competition that you face at East Cobb, ATP, Forsyth, and the other Atlanta venues only makes us a stronger team. Bandits play in many places but have always said the toughest place we play is at home.
People at the park ask me all the time how does the Bandits do it. What is the secret. There is no secret other than hard work and having fun. They enjoy each other and it is obvious that myself and the other parents, grandparents, and fans feel much more pressure than the kids. It helps to have a Coach that preaches fun and even insisted that they play with a soccer ball prior to the championship game of the Spring Nationals. It helps to have parents who have committed to the goals of the team and complain very little if any about where their son is playing or what hole he is batting in. It helps to have 2 left handed pitchers that are throwing in the low to mid 60's with nasty change ups. It helps that they are so fundamentally sound that they know at 10 years old that laying down a good bunt or hitting behind the runners help the team. It helps that they have been coached the right way and that they play defense the way that they have been taught by a solid coaching staff that loves them. It helps for them to know that we will love them in defeat even more than we do in victory.
What an awesome game this game called baseball is. Where else can you learn so many lessons about life and have so much fun doing it.
The biggest testimony that this area has for our baseball programs stands in the number of out of town and out of state teams that come here to play. Not for the manicured fields but for the opportunity to play the best 10 year baseball teams that America has to offer.
Good luck to all of the 10U teams for the remainder of the season.
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| baseballpapa |
Posted - 04/14/2009 : 07:14:22
Bandits stand at 25-1 at this early point in the season losing only to the Mizuno Glory at the Atlanta Super NIT and led 5-3 late in this defeat. The record does not reflect that there were many very close games that could have gone either way. The record also does not reflect that there are many local Atlanta teams that are very capable of beating us on any given day. We have been more than fortunate to win these close games and know that playing the caliber of competition that you face at East Cobb, ATP, Forsyth, and the other Atlanta venues only makes us a stronger team. Bandits play in many places but have always said the toughest place we play is at home.
People at the park ask me all the time how does the Bandits do it. What is the secret. There is no secret other than hard work and having fun. They enjoy each other and it is obvious that myself and the other parents, grandparents, and fans feel much more pressure than the kids. It helps to have a Coach that preaches fun and even insisted that they play with a soccer ball prior to the championship game of the Spring Nationals. It helps to have parents who have committed to the goals of the team and complain very little if any about where their son is playing or what hole he is batting in. It helps to have 2 left handed pitchers that are throwing in the low to mid 60's with nasty change ups. It helps that they are so fundamentally sound that they know at 10 years old that laying down a good bunt or hitting behind the runners help the team. It helps that they have been coached the right way and that they play defense the way that they have been taught by a solid coaching staff that loves them. It helps for them to know that we will love them in defeat even more than we do in victory.
What an awesome game this game called baseball is. Where else can you learn so many lessons about life and have so much fun doing it.
The biggest testimony that this area has for our baseball programs stands in the number of out of town and out of state teams that come here to play. Not for the manicured fields but for the opportunity to play the best 10 year baseball teams that America has to offer.
Good luck to all of the 10U teams for the remainder of the season. |
| Titan1 |
Posted - 04/09/2009 : 00:34:39
quote:
Originally posted by jscoda
Ok.....after reading what the "experts" say, I need to revamp.
Top group: no particular order...anyone can beat anyone
Kennesaw
Bandits
Midway
Sharon Springs Spartans Blue
Yard Dogs Black
Sandtown
ECB Scorpions
Mill Creek
Holly Springs
PTB Elite
almost in top group
6-4-3
ECB Tigers
ECB Longhorns
NYO
Sandy Plains Wildcats
Eastside
I have been reading this board for a couple of weeks now and decided to join today. I wish we had something like this where we play ( Macon). This spring and last fall we have had the chance to play in some tournaments against some of the teams you mention above and others that seem to get mentioned alot Holly Springs Express, North Georgia Storm,..... Couple of the teams you mention above don't impress me even though they may have beat us. My team for what it is worth is very inconsistent and lacks focus at times. We are a AA team and will hopefully finish out the year strong so I can move us up to Major and play against more of the big boys.
I would like to take a stab at the top teams in Georgia and hear your thoughts
Bandits- Has to start here
Stixx- Best team we have played. Most Athletic team I have seen.
Kennesaw Express- Looked great at the Forsyth Slugfest. Hopefully we will play them in Panama City.
6-4-3_ Solid team. Thought we had them but........mentioned we where inconsistent didn't I?
Don't really think there is a clear cut #5. Several teams are bunched together. Will say that the Columbus Cyclones where very good but they broke up. Well look forward to any replies.
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