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| 25LOVESTHEGAME |
Posted - 07/27/2008 : 17:48:49
If any of you saw the Phillies Braves game today. Shane Victorino plowing Brian McCann twice. Are there times when plowing a catcher is ok (18 or above)? My opinion is the second time Victorino could have slid towards the third base side and made it easily. |
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| greglomax |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 14:01:03
Mr. Dub,
Thanks for the birthday wishes. Glad I am not 50. Even though some days I feel like it.  |
| mechanicsplus |
Posted - 07/29/2008 : 18:03:11
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Originally posted by 25LOVESTHEGAME
If any of you saw the Phillies Braves game today. Shane Victorino plowing Brian McCann twice. Are there times when plowing a catcher is ok (18 or above)? My opinion is the second time Victorino could have slid towards the third base side and made it easily.
Contact is not allowed at ANY level until the Pro's. My son was ejected from a Tournament (think it was 13u then) in Florida for laying out a 3rd baseman that had come some 10' off the bag, up the 2nd/3rd base line, to field a throw from the right fielder (my son was going for a triple). He couldn't get to the bag as the defensive player came out and effectively blocked him from reaching 3rd. Because he did not attempt to slide (even though he was some ten feet from the bag) he was not only called out but ejected! I believe in protecting the players but that was a pretty lopsided interpertation of the rules!
At the pro level it isn't considered dirty to hit a defensive player (that is in position to defend himself) to dislodge the ball. In fact, it scores a run that's what you are expected to do. No player makes contact intending to cause injury. |
| scottwill311 |
Posted - 07/29/2008 : 16:59:00
In most cases that I have seen in regards to the 1st baseman getting spiked, is the fact that the 1st baseman has his foot in the middle of the bag.I have seen more elbows thrown than I have intentional spiking at first.And happy 50th birthday to Dr. Lomax!! |
| greglomax |
Posted - 07/29/2008 : 13:07:49
I agree. I see some intentional. I too think the umps should keep this under control. I guess it would be easier to call if the routine slides did not take out half the fielders covering as well. |
| SportsDad |
Posted - 07/29/2008 : 10:40:13
Oh I agree a good hard tag would put an end to it...not even opposed to sticking one in the earhole of the next batter (oh I know,how terrible)..Agree with your training tool..we used a round tube...there's a differance between a hard slide and intentionally trying to spike someone...most infielders,and coaches...know it when they see it...would think umpires would too... |
| greglomax |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 23:32:00
How are the first basemen getting spiked? If you are talking about the runner coming down the first baseline and spiking the first baseman when they cross the bag, then a good hard tag on a pick off back into first will help stop that. (All of you who are thinking that it is wrong telling the first baseman who gets spiked to give the runner a little extra on the tag when the pitcher throws over need to have it happen a few times then come back and talk to me)
If the tournament is using GA HS rules, the runner has to slide straight on to the bag. I see a lot of 2nd basemen camp on the bag when they get a throw and get slid into when if they had taken a step or two off the bag, they would have avoided being slid into. I used to coach with a guy who would take a big trash can and stand in the baseline between first and second and roll the can toward the second base bag to teach the second baseman and the SS to get the ball and get on and off the bag. It was a good training tool. |
| SportsDad |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 19:49:10
More than collisions at the plate, you just don't see that many of them in HS or younger, I wish the umps would start throwing kids out for spiking 2nd baseman and especially first baseman...I've seen more first baseman get spiked starting from around 11U than could ever be "accidental"...don't think I've ever seen a kid ejected for doing it.. |
| Mike Corbin |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 14:01:51
Until college ball starts the rule is that you must avoid contact. If the contact is "unavoidable" it cannot be malicious. If the contact is deemed as malicious the player is ejected from the game. |
| bb baseball |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 13:19:07
It's a totally legal play but it did look to me that he went for the head. in fact, it looked like the earlier collision was aimed at Mac's head. That should be taken care of by the pitcher the next time Victorino came up or the next time they face them. As for when it's appropriate to start having collisions at the plate, I don't know for sure but I'm almost positive it's illegal in high school. I think it starts in college and minor league ball. our 14U team played mostly HS rules and the baserunner must avoid contact at all bags. I actually think this is a new rule but do not hold me to that. |
| 25LOVESTHEGAME |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 11:47:37
I was more interested in the fact that Victorino could have slid. McCann was up the first base line. Had to dive back across the plate. Thats why he took it so hard. He was off balance. If he was standing there blocking the plate, yes try to plow and jar the ball loose. but in that instance a wide slide would have been appropriate there. The announcers were saying nothing was wrong but I disagree. McCann was helpless. |
| greglomax |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 10:30:50
We've has some conversations about this before and we have never come to the conclusion of "what age/level is it permitted/expected to plow the catcher?". Is it not until college or the pros, or is it allowed in HS play as well. |
| 25LOVESTHEGAME |
Posted - 07/28/2008 : 09:14:50
I thought this would drum up alot of interest. Nobody has anything on this? Greg? |
