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| momof8 |
Posted - 10/29/2013 : 17:07:52
Is it normal for other coaches to scout a team in a tournament then attempt to steal players from that team? We've never had it happen on our team until now. Just curious if that's normal or we've just been lucky thus far? |
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| AllStar |
Posted - 11/11/2013 : 21:05:45
quote:
Originally posted by LilBigTown
I guess if you call it stealing then Red Sox, Yankees, or Detroit are going to steal Brian Mccan for about 15 million a year! Parents please this is competitive travel baseball. I don't know about anyone else but I'm really tired of Americas new sense of entitlement where so many feel like everything is not fair. News Flash... LIFE IS Not FAIR it's Life some have other options an some do not. " Sports are the one of the only pure things left in this world for at the end of the game there will always be a winner an a loser. The outcome is not affected by race, religion, or social status ." Doctor J. I sure glad that the Braves stole Upton, Johnson, an Gattis this year ! Oh an if you want to play on a league where you can't steal players a great recreation program awaits.
Because we all know there are no rules around trades and free agency in the MLB. :rolleyes: |
| BBall123 |
Posted - 11/11/2013 : 19:55:53
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
quote:
Originally posted by ABC_Baseball
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So, being new to travel baseball (8-yr old son), I can agree and see both of these quoted statements as true. ABC, if I do not think travel is about MY kid, who will? We choose the team that we best fit would suit our son's needs and nurture his development. HE IS part of the TEAM. Yet, the 'promises' and 'guarantees' from the coach haven't panned out or come to fruition over the fall as advertised. We have been approached. We have put a LOT of thought into those conversations that have occurred about our son-- from other coaches. Ultimately, we did decide to stay the course for the fall, but it was with a LOT of hesitation and being extremely guarded. Leaving will have ZERO to do with the other players/parents, but simply the favoritism and loyalty the coach blatantly displays for some, over others.
It's a two-way street in my opinion. Coaches need to stand behind what they say and/or promise, and attempt to fulfill those promises. If you tell a parent one thing, and do nearly the complete opposite, you cannot expect those parents to be loyal to you, when you weren't 100% honest with them, up front. Now, if you're just looking to be the 'big fish' in a small pond, or your kid isn't 'the star' on the team, I'm all for honoring your commitment.
I think you can put your kid in the best situation without lying or being dishonest with others. We had a situation when my son made his first All Star team at the rec. ball level. Despite being one of the two fastest kids on the team, a very good contact hitter and a player with a young but emerging glove, I saw his playing time reduced as the season went on. Nothing was more maddening than seeing him taken out of the game in the 3rd inning after reaching base successfully 2 out of 3 times. Especially when there were kids that were 0-3 and 1-3 with multiple errors in the field and they played all innings, including the extra one. It came down to the fact that those early solicitations for sponsorship money were opportunities to “buy” playing time for your kid. This was my son’s first All Star experience and the second for others, so I was clueless.
Long story short, we left the park at seasons end and didn’t come back. I felt the coach’s speech about wanting to see “each kid improve” was a lie. There was a lot of politics and ego in that staff. It seems that some take the “team being about my kid” to means that they play no matter what. They are always on the field, they always hit near the top of the order, they are in their primary spot and don’t have to play well to keep the position. So in reality, it’s that their kid is not held accountable. If your kid is a middle infielder, then yes, look for a team that needs a middle infielder. However, don’t expect that your kid can do no wrong and there are special rules for them. I don’t understand why some also seem to “duck” competition. They don’t want to be around others that could possibly “steal” the spotlight away from their son. To me, that does nothing but provide a false sense of one’s own abilities and hurts you in the long run.
Not to get too far off on a tangent, but I feel these two topics intertwine (players leaving/being stolen and coaches who mislead parents in what they say initially). I feel you're spot on with everything you've stated, and felt like you were describing my situation to a "T".
Again, I'm loyal, to a fault at times, and was gullible enough to believe everything I was told (first time through-- remember). And maybe the 'fall season' is more relaxed or with the 8's being relatively 'newbies' to the travel situation, coaches are more aggressive in seeking out some players that would better compliment their 'new' teams. Hence us getting approached I guess.
My final thought... If a coach is honest, does what he says, and people are content why would ANY players leave (re: be stolen) for another team?
BINGO ! Quite a few lying dishonest coaches out there trying to build their reps or their businesses with your kids. |
| JCB |
Posted - 11/11/2013 : 19:36:25
Lots of good posts here on these intertwined topics.
As a parent of a child that is at the end of his travel ball journey our observations are that there are lots of good people (coaches) out there, but there are far more coaches that simply do not deliver on the promises they make to too many families. More families/players are disappointed with the experience than satisfied, and hence all the movement between teams between seasons. Kids and families would move around less if the product/experience offered was closer to the promises made on the front end.
I also believe that most of the coaches truly are well intended at the start of their team's formation/recruiting/tryout process, but allow the pressures of winning and covering the ever mounting costs associated with travel ball to get in the way of doing the right thing. This all sounds like "life lessons" which we are told our kids would experience and grow from through their baseball expereince. I think at the end of the day the biggest life lesson they learn is that to be successful you need to learn how to overcome politics, stay positive, remain focused on long terms goals while enjoying the process, and if they stick with it and learn good work ethics - they will get better at baseball, but most importantly, be better off for what they learned about people and interacting in a team environment. These are big lessons for young kids to learn, but my hunch is that they will be better off for it if they do not allow themselves (and us parents) to become victims. As my dad said many years ago - control what you can control and you will not regret the experience gained from that participation. Baseball and life will reward those of us that learn this message.
It is also incumbent for those of us that coach to look in the mirror as often as we can and ask ourselves if we are following through on our promises and if we would feel good about the decisions we make if the kids affected by our decisions were our kid(s).
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| turntwo |
Posted - 11/11/2013 : 10:58:40
quote:
Originally posted by ABC_Baseball
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So, being new to travel baseball (8-yr old son), I can agree and see both of these quoted statements as true. ABC, if I do not think travel is about MY kid, who will? We choose the team that we best fit would suit our son's needs and nurture his development. HE IS part of the TEAM. Yet, the 'promises' and 'guarantees' from the coach haven't panned out or come to fruition over the fall as advertised. We have been approached. We have put a LOT of thought into those conversations that have occurred about our son-- from other coaches. Ultimately, we did decide to stay the course for the fall, but it was with a LOT of hesitation and being extremely guarded. Leaving will have ZERO to do with the other players/parents, but simply the favoritism and loyalty the coach blatantly displays for some, over others.
It's a two-way street in my opinion. Coaches need to stand behind what they say and/or promise, and attempt to fulfill those promises. If you tell a parent one thing, and do nearly the complete opposite, you cannot expect those parents to be loyal to you, when you weren't 100% honest with them, up front. Now, if you're just looking to be the 'big fish' in a small pond, or your kid isn't 'the star' on the team, I'm all for honoring your commitment.
I think you can put your kid in the best situation without lying or being dishonest with others. We had a situation when my son made his first All Star team at the rec. ball level. Despite being one of the two fastest kids on the team, a very good contact hitter and a player with a young but emerging glove, I saw his playing time reduced as the season went on. Nothing was more maddening than seeing him taken out of the game in the 3rd inning after reaching base successfully 2 out of 3 times. Especially when there were kids that were 0-3 and 1-3 with multiple errors in the field and they played all innings, including the extra one. It came down to the fact that those early solicitations for sponsorship money were opportunities to “buy” playing time for your kid. This was my son’s first All Star experience and the second for others, so I was clueless.
Long story short, we left the park at seasons end and didn’t come back. I felt the coach’s speech about wanting to see “each kid improve” was a lie. There was a lot of politics and ego in that staff. It seems that some take the “team being about my kid” to means that they play no matter what. They are always on the field, they always hit near the top of the order, they are in their primary spot and don’t have to play well to keep the position. So in reality, it’s that their kid is not held accountable. If your kid is a middle infielder, then yes, look for a team that needs a middle infielder. However, don’t expect that your kid can do no wrong and there are special rules for them. I don’t understand why some also seem to “duck” competition. They don’t want to be around others that could possibly “steal” the spotlight away from their son. To me, that does nothing but provide a false sense of one’s own abilities and hurts you in the long run.
Not to get too far off on a tangent, but I feel these two topics intertwine (players leaving/being stolen and coaches who mislead parents in what they say initially). I feel you're spot on with everything you've stated, and felt like you were describing my situation to a "T".
Again, I'm loyal, to a fault at times, and was gullible enough to believe everything I was told (first time through-- remember). And maybe the 'fall season' is more relaxed or with the 8's being relatively 'newbies' to the travel situation, coaches are more aggressive in seeking out some players that would better compliment their 'new' teams. Hence us getting approached I guess.
My final thought... If a coach is honest, does what he says, and people are content why would ANY players leave (re: be stolen) for another team? |
| ABC_Baseball |
Posted - 11/06/2013 : 09:57:35
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
So, being new to travel baseball (8-yr old son), I can agree and see both of these quoted statements as true. ABC, if I do not think travel is about MY kid, who will? We choose the team that we best fit would suit our son's needs and nurture his development. HE IS part of the TEAM. Yet, the 'promises' and 'guarantees' from the coach haven't panned out or come to fruition over the fall as advertised. We have been approached. We have put a LOT of thought into those conversations that have occurred about our son-- from other coaches. Ultimately, we did decide to stay the course for the fall, but it was with a LOT of hesitation and being extremely guarded. Leaving will have ZERO to do with the other players/parents, but simply the favoritism and loyalty the coach blatantly displays for some, over others.
It's a two-way street in my opinion. Coaches need to stand behind what they say and/or promise, and attempt to fulfill those promises. If you tell a parent one thing, and do nearly the complete opposite, you cannot expect those parents to be loyal to you, when you weren't 100% honest with them, up front. Now, if you're just looking to be the 'big fish' in a small pond, or your kid isn't 'the star' on the team, I'm all for honoring your commitment.
I think you can put your kid in the best situation without lying or being dishonest with others. We had a situation when my son made his first All Star team at the rec. ball level. Despite being one of the two fastest kids on the team, a very good contact hitter and a player with a young but emerging glove, I saw his playing time reduced as the season went on. Nothing was more maddening than seeing him taken out of the game in the 3rd inning after reaching base successfully 2 out of 3 times. Especially when there were kids that were 0-3 and 1-3 with multiple errors in the field and they played all innings, including the extra one. It came down to the fact that those early solicitations for sponsorship money were opportunities to “buy” playing time for your kid. This was my son’s first All Star experience and the second for others, so I was clueless.
Long story short, we left the park at seasons end and didn’t come back. I felt the coach’s speech about wanting to see “each kid improve” was a lie. There was a lot of politics and ego in that staff. It seems that some take the “team being about my kid” to means that they play no matter what. They are always on the field, they always hit near the top of the order, they are in their primary spot and don’t have to play well to keep the position. So in reality, it’s that their kid is not held accountable. If your kid is a middle infielder, then yes, look for a team that needs a middle infielder. However, don’t expect that your kid can do no wrong and there are special rules for them. I don’t understand why some also seem to “duck” competition. They don’t want to be around others that could possibly “steal” the spotlight away from their son. To me, that does nothing but provide a false sense of one’s own abilities and hurts you in the long run.
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| Gwinnett |
Posted - 11/05/2013 : 23:21:05
Your VERY right! IT WORKS BOTH WAYS! If you want to be a lying coach don't expect players to stick around. A lot of coaches promise what they can't deliver. Then they feel slighted when a player leaves. When your paying $1800 - $3000 for spring season coaches need to be accountable. That's a lot of money to spend, to be lied to.
Some of the better coaches I've seen don't care who leaves and can adjust to any situation. Most top teams have a waiting list of top talent.
quote:
Originally posted by turntwo
quote:
Originally posted by rippit
My son has never been allowed to leave one team for another mid season. Has he wanted to? Absolutely. Reason? Didn't have anything to do with the other 9-12 players or their parents so why punish them?
To be a good team mate...you must remain with the team. Parents who don't preach this need a whack upside the head. Coaches who try don't try to promote loyalty to the team need two whacks upside the head.
Finish your commitment. If you need to play with two teams LEGALLY at the same time to accomplish your agenda, then do it. But team A should come first in time and financial commitment 100% of the time. No exceptions.
If an organization or coach is screwing you over, don't take it out on the rest of the team. What you don't know is that sometimes it leads to the remainder of the players not having enough players to finish a season and not paying YOUR PORTION in it's entirety of player fees can also have the same effect. If you have an issue with the organization or the coach, take it up with them. Finish the drill where the others are concerned then run far far away.
quote:
Originally posted by ABC_Baseball
I think what you are speaking of is lost on a bunch of people. Too many people think it’s about them and their kid only. I don’t think they know what it means to be a PART of a team. I think they see their kid as the center and the others around them as the supporting cast.
So, being new to travel baseball (8-yr old son), I can agree and see both of these quoted statements as true. ABC, if I do not think travel is about MY kid, who will? We choose the team that we best fit would suit our son's needs and nurture his development. HE IS part of the TEAM. Yet, the 'promises' and 'guarantees' from the coach haven't panned out or come to fruition over the fall as advertised. We have been approached. We have put a LOT of thought into those conversations that have occurred about our son-- from other coaches. Ultimately, we did decide to stay the course for the fall, but it was with a LOT of hesitation and being extremely guarded. Leaving will have ZERO to do with the other players/parents, but simply the favoritism and loyalty the coach blatantly displays for some, over others.
It's a two-way street in my opinion. Coaches need to stand behind what they say and/or promise, and attempt to fulfill those promises. If you tell a parent one thing, and do nearly the complete opposite, you cannot expect those parents to be loyal to you, when you weren't 100% honest with them, up front. Now, if you're just looking to be the 'big fish' in a small pond, or your kid isn't 'the star' on the team, I'm all for honoring your commitment.
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| turntwo |
Posted - 11/05/2013 : 11:21:52
quote:
Originally posted by rippit
My son has never been allowed to leave one team for another mid season. Has he wanted to? Absolutely. Reason? Didn't have anything to do with the other 9-12 players or their parents so why punish them?
To be a good team mate...you must remain with the team. Parents who don't preach this need a whack upside the head. Coaches who try don't try to promote loyalty to the team need two whacks upside the head.
Finish your commitment. If you need to play with two teams LEGALLY at the same time to accomplish your agenda, then do it. But team A should come first in time and financial commitment 100% of the time. No exceptions.
If an organization or coach is screwing you over, don't take it out on the rest of the team. What you don't know is that sometimes it leads to the remainder of the players not having enough players to finish a season and not paying YOUR PORTION in it's entirety of player fees can also have the same effect. If you have an issue with the organization or the coach, take it up with them. Finish the drill where the others are concerned then run far far away.
quote:
Originally posted by ABC_Baseball
I think what you are speaking of is lost on a bunch of people. Too many people think it’s about them and their kid only. I don’t think they know what it means to be a PART of a team. I think they see their kid as the center and the others around them as the supporting cast.
So, being new to travel baseball (8-yr old son), I can agree and see both of these quoted statements as true. ABC, if I do not think travel is about MY kid, who will? We choose the team that we best fit would suit our son's needs and nurture his development. HE IS part of the TEAM. Yet, the 'promises' and 'guarantees' from the coach haven't panned out or come to fruition over the fall as advertised. We have been approached. We have put a LOT of thought into those conversations that have occurred about our son-- from other coaches. Ultimately, we did decide to stay the course for the fall, but it was with a LOT of hesitation and being extremely guarded. Leaving will have ZERO to do with the other players/parents, but simply the favoritism and loyalty the coach blatantly displays for some, over others.
It's a two-way street in my opinion. Coaches need to stand behind what they say and/or promise, and attempt to fulfill those promises. If you tell a parent one thing, and do nearly the complete opposite, you cannot expect those parents to be loyal to you, when you weren't 100% honest with them, up front. Now, if you're just looking to be the 'big fish' in a small pond, or your kid isn't 'the star' on the team, I'm all for honoring your commitment. |
| rippit |
Posted - 11/05/2013 : 08:26:41
"I've found that there is absolutely NO substitute for being around GOOD PEOPLE."
Amen Brother ABC...
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| ABC_Baseball |
Posted - 11/04/2013 : 15:20:25
quote:
Originally posted by rippit
My son has never been allowed to leave one team for another mid season. Has he wanted to? Absolutely. Reason? Didn't have anything to do with the other 9-12 players or their parents so why punish them?
To be a good team mate...you must remain with the team. Parents who don't preach this need a whack upside the head. Coaches who try don't try to promote loyalty to the team need two whacks upside the head.
Finish your commitment. If you need to play with two teams LEGALLY at the same time to accomplish your agenda, then do it. But team A should come first in time and financial commitment 100% of the time. No exceptions.
If an organization or coach is screwing you over, don't take it out on the rest of the team. What you don't know is that sometimes it leads to the remainder of the players not having enough players to finish a season and not paying YOUR PORTION in it's entirety of player fees can also have the same effect. If you have an issue with the organization or the coach, take it up with them. Finish the drill where the others are concerned then run far far away.
I think what you are speaking of is lost on a bunch of people. Too many people think it’s about them and their kid only. I don’t think they know what it means to be a PART of a team. I think they see their kid as the center and the others around them as the supporting cast.
I told my wife at this point I don’t want our kid being the obvious "Best Player" on the team. I would rather him be one of the 4 or 5 best players on a team because that means he is surrounded by other good players. I’ve been told that it was the desire to have their kid as the center of the team that caused player "x" to back out on us. In my brief time as a dad around travel ball, I've found that there is absolutely NO substitute for being around GOOD PEOPLE.
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| AllStar |
Posted - 11/04/2013 : 12:17:20
quote:
Originally posted by rippit
My son has never been allowed to leave one team for another mid season. Has he wanted to? Absolutely. Reason? Didn't have anything to do with the other 9-12 players or their parents so why punish them?
To be a good team mate...you must remain with the team. Parents who don't preach this need a whack upside the head. Coaches who try don't try to promote loyalty to the team need two whacks upside the head.
Finish your commitment. If you need to play with two teams LEGALLY at the same time to accomplish your agenda, then do it. But team A should come first in time and financial commitment 100% of the time. No exceptions.
If an organization or coach is screwing you over, don't take it out on the rest of the team. What you don't know is that sometimes it leads to the remainder of the players not having enough players to finish a season and not paying YOUR PORTION in it's entirety of player fees can also have the same effect. If you have an issue with the organization or the coach, take it up with them. Finish the drill where the others are concerned then run far far away.
All of this.... |
| rippit |
Posted - 11/04/2013 : 11:42:35
My son has never been allowed to leave one team for another mid season. Has he wanted to? Absolutely. Reason? Didn't have anything to do with the other 9-12 players or their parents so why punish them?
To be a good team mate...you must remain with the team. Parents who don't preach this need a whack upside the head. Coaches who try don't try to promote loyalty to the team need two whacks upside the head.
Finish your commitment. If you need to play with two teams LEGALLY at the same time to accomplish your agenda, then do it. But team A should come first in time and financial commitment 100% of the time. No exceptions.
If an organization or coach is screwing you over, don't take it out on the rest of the team. What you don't know is that sometimes it leads to the remainder of the players not having enough players to finish a season and not paying YOUR PORTION in it's entirety of player fees can also have the same effect. If you have an issue with the organization or the coach, take it up with them. Finish the drill where the others are concerned then run far far away. |
| baseballpapa |
Posted - 11/04/2013 : 09:37:23
This topic produced some good discussion and after all this is a discussion board. If we all agreed then there would no need to discuss it. Bottom line is that if the player and his parents are looking for to move from Team A to Team B then they should be upfront and finish your present commitment prior to leaving Team A. But a point that I didn't see mentioned much is that it takes 2 side to form a commitment. If Team A has promised something that did not materialize or if Team A is not doing the things that were promised then my question would be. "Can you leave Team A with Honor and your head held high since you do not feel you getting what was guaranteed. Now that's a question for you all. |
| AA17Dad |
Posted - 11/04/2013 : 08:53:48
quote:
Originally posted by momof8
Is it normal for other coaches to scout a team in a tournament then attempt to steal players from that team? We've never had it happen on our team until now. Just curious if that's normal or we've just been lucky thus far?
Back to the OP's Question.
Yes it is normal. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 11/03/2013 : 17:48:32
quote:
Originally posted by sailor
I do believe that a player leaving a team he's committed to in the middle of a season to play somewhere else is a dishonorable thing to do unless there is something really wrong on the team he is leaving.
I agree with your comment, but I also believe that it's EQUALLY dishonorable for coaches to approach other players who are known to be committed to a team to try and entice them to break that commitment to play on that coach's team. |
| sailor |
Posted - 11/03/2013 : 07:09:46
I don't think it's possible for a team to "steal" a player. Ultimately the decision to play for a different team is up to the player, not the team. They can offer him a position, but they certainly can't "steal" him against his will. I do believe that a player leaving a team he's committed to in the middle of a season to play somewhere else is a dishonorable thing to do unless there is something really wrong on the team he is leaving. Simply wanting to play somewhere else wouldn't be a good enough reason for me. My kids have been involved with sports since they were very young, and our rule has always been that they must finish what they start. Abandoning your teammates is not an acceptable thing to do. I've seen players leave teams before the end of a season with the result being that the team didn't have enough players to continue, ending the season early for everyone. The parents who permitted their kids to do this should be ashamed of themselves for the example they set. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 11/02/2013 : 23:57:16
quote:
Originally posted by LilBigTown
I guess if you call it stealing then Red Sox, Yankees, or Detroit are going to steal Brian Mccan for about 15 million a year! Parents please this is competitive travel baseball. I don't know about anyone else but I'm really tired of Americas new sense of entitlement where so many feel like everything is not fair. News Flash... LIFE IS Not FAIR it's Life some have other options an some do not. " Sports are the one of the only pure things left in this world for at the end of the game there will always be a winner an a loser. The outcome is not affected by race, religion, or social status ." Doctor J. I sure glad that the Braves stole Upton, Johnson, an Gattis this year ! Oh an if you want to play on a league where you can't steal players a great recreation program awaits.
Your comparison is so far off base it's not even reasonable. Free agency isn't "stealing" in the sense that the OP is suggesting. Even in the professional ranks, there are rules around when and how players can be approached by other teams. This is EXACTLY the OP's point. You don't see the Yankees approaching McCann during a game in June about leaving the Braves that weekend to come play for the Yankees the next weekend. Clearly there are contracts in place that prevent this. There are no contracts in the amateur ranks, so coaches try and take players from other teams mid season. Not after a player has honored his commitment and played out the current season with his team.
I haven't heard anyone complain about players changing teams AFTER their season is complete. Likewise, a coach is under no obligation to invite a player back the following season.
Your analogy isn't even close. |
| LilBigTown |
Posted - 11/02/2013 : 17:34:47
I guess if you call it stealing then Red Sox, Yankees, or Detroit are going to steal Brian Mccan for about 15 million a year! Parents please this is competitive travel baseball. I don't know about anyone else but I'm really tired of Americas new sense of entitlement where so many feel like everything is not fair. News Flash... LIFE IS Not FAIR it's Life some have other options an some do not. " Sports are the one of the only pure things left in this world for at the end of the game there will always be a winner an a loser. The outcome is not affected by race, religion, or social status ." Doctor J. I sure glad that the Braves stole Upton, Johnson, an Gattis this year ! Oh an if you want to play on a league where you can't steal players a great recreation program awaits. |
| SSBuckeye |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 12:46:21
jacjac is spot on. The enemy of good baseball is not too many teams. It's lacrosse. Other sports, too. Reduce the teams, and the lacrosse ranks will swell. Not what any on this board want, I imagine. Lacrosse is a great sport, by the way, but there is absolutely no harm having as many travel teams as can be formed so long as there are differing levels of play. I can assure you that just about every AA team out there has a future major-level player on it, and that kid will eventually move up the ranks. What's not to like about that?
If I can make a generalization, in my experience, most people who make the travel is watered argument have an elite son or are simply mad that their neighbor's AA son down the road can tell people he plays travel ball. It used to be an exclusive club, and some folks would like it to go back that way. Not exactly a strong basis for making that point, in my opinion. |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 10:31:34
I don't understand why so many people seem to think that the baseball would be better with fewer teams. How many teams in Georgia could compete with the EC Astros in 1985? How many teams can do it today?
Competition makes everyone better, regardless of the level. The bigger the pool of players, including those who are currently less talented than their peers, the bigger the pool of well-trained players there is to choose from for next year, and the year after, and the more chances those lesser players have to catch up and move up the ladder. Even bad travel teams have their place in this ecosystem, as a bridge from the often relatively worse rec organizations.
Artificially limiting the player pool in baseball is a recipe for making better lacrosse teams, not better baseball. |
| bballman |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 10:18:43
quote:
Originally posted by jmac83
The original issue raised was whether it's proper and ethical for a coach to actively recruit players from another team. It's definitely improper and sets a bad example for kids and parents during a season, in my opinion; there's enough constant reshuffling of rosters during the off season that I'm not as opposed to the approach then.
Of course we all know that coaches are always looking to improve their team. I also think once a player commits to a team for the season, he should not leave. However, who's to say the coaches recruiting during the season aren't looking to pick that player up for next season as opposed to for right now. I think it is up to the family to let a coach know that they are with this current team until the end of the season, but they would be happy to consider the new team for next year. Maybe even go play with that team in an event when their team is off, just to get a feel for how that new team is run.
My son never left a team for "greener pastures". But I know that there are times a player progresses faster than the talent level of the team he is on. Or situations where the player is just not happy with the team he is on for whatever reason. I think it's ok to know that there are other options out there and other teams that may want you. In the college recruiting world, there is a general theme of "go where you are wanted". If a coach wants to let a kid know they are wanted, that's ok. Just don't bail on your current team in the middle of the season.
Coaches of current team - be the kind of coach that players don't want to leave. Be the best coach you can be. That includes working with the parents, providing a high level of skills development, playing good competition. Also realize that if you have a AA team and your best player is a Major level kid, you probably won't have him long. It's really not fair to that kid.
Unfortunately, there are so many choices out there, kids switching teams is a reality of the game. Especially here in metro Atlanta. Some areas of the country don't have this problem because there just aren't the number of choices as there are here. |
| aSouthPaw |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 09:55:25
Getting back to the original question, I would say it all depends on the organization and team you play for. If your team is recruiting kids from other teams during the season, then I would say you have the right to do the same. However, if you team commits to the players they selected during tryouts and does not add players except for a replacement due to injury, move, etc. then you should remain committed to the team. When you committed, the team passed up on another player that likely paid to tryout for the organization. Moving to greener pastures is not a valid reason under this circumstance. Of course, there will always be extenuating circumstances such as if a coach is verbally abusive, player is benched indefinitely, etc. My 11YO plays in an organization that would never recruit other players so we will remain committed to that team. At the season's end, everyone is a free agent and it is appropriate to move anywhere you want at that point in time. |
| ABC_Baseball |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 09:44:23
I think players have every right to go where they want to as long as they have not committed to a team. We had players say yes, we are with you, then decided to go elsewhere. Technically money had not been paid, but why say "yes" we are with you then continue to look around? I know everybody wants to be on a winning team. My kid spent one summer on a very bad team b/c it was his only option due to Dizzy Dean rules. He then got on a travel team that ended up being a AA team and losing way more than we won. I would not go actively looking to move teams during the season once I've said i'm going with a team. I think its fine to try and find a better landing spot for the next season, but I would never bail on a team.
I do agree that there are a lot of teams. I think there are too many. I will not say we need to dump 2/3 of them but there would be stronger teams if the pool was not as watered down. I'm not a big ego guy... My kid is talented in my opinion. I know his coach thinks so and I've been told that other coaches have commented on his game. That being said, I'm not out there shopping my kid around trying to get him on one of the top 5 teams in his age group. I really like his coach and the families on the team. The coach took steps to improve the talent on our team and I really think it will pay off this year.
If we didn't have all these teams, I think really good players would be left out. All the time we see park All-Star teams converted to travel teams will little to no changes to the roster. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 08:50:34
Every man/woman for himself/herself. It's like the Wild, Wild West.
Coach is gunning for the 9U World Championship you know.... |
| jmac83 |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 08:12:28
To me, it's getting off topic to focus on the discussion on whether families are entitled to search out the best baseball situation for their sons. Of course they are. The original issue raised was whether it's proper and ethical for a coach to actively recruit players from another team. It's definitely improper and sets a bad example for kids and parents during a season, in my opinion; there's enough constant reshuffling of rosters during the off season that I'm not as opposed to the approach then. |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 11/01/2013 : 00:33:34
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Originally posted by seminole tony
Just think what the Atlanta area could do if we had two thirds less teams.
This is what you said. That baseball here would be better if we didn't have to deal with 2/3 of the players.
You know why there are 50 rounds in the MLB draft? So the superstars have someone to play with.
I guarantee you there are players on the teams you listed who wouldn't be there had those bottom 2/3 teams not been around for them to play with in previous years. |
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