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| rippit |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 16:49:48
I'm curious about the showcases like PG and Georgia Dugout Club among others. Prices are $100-600 for a day or two. Are these worth the money? What kind of feedback do you get and does anybody have any success stories generated from investing in these?
Does anybody give honest feedback anymore or are they just dangling the carrot so you continue to spend money? |
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| rippit |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 19:54:50
Tribe: this is good stuff. Thanks! |
| Tribe |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 16:46:58
I'm reciting by memory, so if I'm wrong I trust someone will correct me.
September 1st of Junior year: first day that a prospect may receive email from a coach/recruiting coordinator.
July 1st (prior to Senior year): first day that a coach/recruiting coordinator may make phone calls or send text messages to a prospect.
Note: a player can call a coach anytime.
As mentioned in an earlier post, my 2014 was successful in getting attention at college camps. Here's what we did: Once registered for a camp, my son sends an email to the recruiting coordinator and/or head coach. This email contains an introduction and a brief description of his recent accomplishments. We don't expect a reply to this email and seldom get one. On the eve of the first day of camp, his travel coach sends an email to the recruiting coordinator/head coach. The intent of this email is to give the program some 3rd party info on the player and to establish communication between the school and travel coach should the college coach want more info on the player.
A successful camp will usually end with a request for the player to stay for an after-camp chat with the coach. Then, a couple of days after the camp, player sends a thank-you email with a schedule attached, if available. He also includes contact info for his high school coach.
This is stream of thought, but a couple of notes:
--all email correspondence to colleges should come from the player and his email account. Do not send an email on behalf of your player to a college coach.
--start reaching out to colleges no later than the summer after sophomore year (at the latest)
--unless your kid is a nationally-recognized super-stud (mine isn't), he must market himself diligently to get the attention of college programs. Having multiple offers to choose from is your goal
--when your son receives a personalized email or letter from a college coach, make sure he responds to it...even if he has no interest in that school. There's no telling where that coach might be in 2-3 years.
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| bballman |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 16:29:33
From the best of my knowledge, at any time, if you call or email them, they can talk to you. Coaches cannot contact you directly prior to July 1st (I believe) following Junior year. After that point, there are dead periods where the coaches are not allowed contact at all.
Here is a link to the NCAA D1 recruiting calendar. You can probably weave your way through it to find the specific answers to some of your other questions.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Recruiting+Calendars/2012-13/2012-13+NCAA+Division+I+Baseball+Recruiting+Calendar |
| Graniteball |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 15:05:26
For those that have been through the process, I would be interested in how the contact between school and player happened.
My understanding is there are strict rules on coaches directly contacting players. I thought once a player hits their Junior year it gets really locked down.
IE you can call them, but they can not call you.
For instance, I did not think they could answer an email.
So how and when do you start the information exchange? Pre-junior year? |
| bballman |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 14:06:54
The Georgia Dugout Club Top 100 is a good one to go to as long as you make it to the Top 100 part, as Tribe said. This is a 2 stage showcase. The first stage is the initial workout. I forget, there are 3-5 college recruiters that do the initial evaluation, so you will be seen by them. However, if you didn't make the Top 100, you probably didn't impress them. Then there is the Top 100 itself. There are probably 100+ scouts at this one. Very good exposure. This happens right before the PG WWBA stuff starts, so everyone is in town for that and comes to the Top 100. My son got noticed at this and wound up attending a college that recruited him from first seeing him in the Top 100 showcase. I would recommend giving it a shot, especially for the money.
PG is expensive - like $595. As Tribe mentioned, there aren't always a lot of scouts at the showcases, but what you get is a good honest evaluation of your son's talent level along with a number grade. The evaluations are always written with a positive slant, but you can read between the lines what they think the player needs to work on. The other thing you get is a public write up on the player on the PG website. This is something recruiters will cross reference if they are interested in a player. In other words, if they see your son play somewhere and have developed an interest, they may search the PG data base to see what PG thought of the player. It is a nice confirmation of their evaluation. I think it's worth doing one of them.
As Tribe mentioned, the Young Harris Showcase is usually attended by around 30 colleges in the Southeast. They hold 2 of them in the fall. There are usually more scouts at the first one, so get in that one if you can. Sign up early because it usually fills up quick. You will also get a nice evaluation from them on your players skills.
Attending individual college camps/showcases can be good, but you better stand out. They are usually fund raisers for the program, but they will recruit out of them if they see a standout player. My son got an offer from attending one. Most of them are held in the fall and travel coaches should be supportive of the player missing team events for the player to attend showcases and camps. If they aren't, then they aren't doing their job.
As in the know said, the other thing to do is make a list of colleges your son would be interested in attending. Have your son shoot emails to the coaches of those schools with some info about himself and let them know what tournaments he will be playing in. Then follow up when it comes closer to time. Hopefully, they will be at the event and be able to watch your son play.
Hope some of this helps. |
| rippit |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 12:57:39
He's 15. Thanks for the info and feedback.
Seems difficult and pretty chi Ching to attend camps of colleges you are interested in. Summer ball takes up the whole summer and with only 3 summers before senior year it doesn't seem there is much time to get to very many camps. I think there may be some college camps over the winter. I'm looking into it. |
| Tribe |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 10:08:05
Bullpen...
Try this site for camp info: http://collegebaseballcamps.com/
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| Bullpen88 |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 07:48:27
Is there a website that lists the different college camps in the surrounding Atlanta area, or do you need to visit each schools website to find out that information? |
| Tribe |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 21:23:18
Hi Rippit,
I'll assume your son's goal is to play college ball, and your question relates to the value of those two recruiting channels.
Georgia Dugout Club Top 100 is a great bang for the buck, especially if your kid makes the Top 100. Lots of college coaches at that secondary event, most of which are from universities within a 4 hour drive of your location. Yes. A hundred bucks well spent.
Perfect Game showcase...wait until your kid is at least a rising Junior. $600 is a lot of scratch, especially during NCAA quiet periods. My advice? Do it once....maybe...(We've done two, hasn't helped much, if any)
Your kid will get his PG profile populated during PG summer tourneys, assuming his team is playing in those, so don't feel like you have to put him in a PG showcase.
You didn't ask, but the best use of our dough was attending camps of schools my 2014 has an interest in going to. We paid from $75 to $700 for these, the most expensive of which included week-long room and board. He's received 3 offers, all from schools whose camp he attended. He's attending his last camp this week, after which he will likely make a decision.
What year is your son?
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| in_the_know |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 19:00:19
Your best bet is to get a bead on which schools your son is interested in attending and possibly playing. Find out which showcases those coaches are going to attend. Young Harris and many others have showcases each year with several schools in attendance. Contact the coaching staff prior to the showcase and let them know you're interested in speaking with them and getting a look at the showcase. Find out what their needs are for the upcoming seasons. You may be the best 2b in the state, but if they aren't looking to fill that position, then you're probably wasting your time. Fit the showcases you choose to the schools attending that have a need you can fill. While there, make sure to introduce yourself to them at the event and confirm your interest.
Perfect Game will certainly have MANY scouts attending, most with a list of prospects they're interested in. You may get some attention if you standout at the event and make a name for yourself, but nothing beats pounding the pavement and doing a bit of work on your part ahead of time to research and attend the events that make sense for you.
Showcases can be what you make of them. Like using a recruiter for a job. Make sure you're applying where they have openings, then show well at the interview. |
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