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| RobDa |
Posted - 03/23/2013 : 15:10:53
Holy Moly its a happening north of town
What should you do if a parent watching this go on
What can you do now + later
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| AllStar |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 17:35:51
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Originally posted by RobDa
Thanks to all who pitched in on this thread
the season is over the coach is gone tho he announced it to the boys at midseason he wouldnt be back : no one can figure out the mastery of motivation that was supposed to be. but it was hand in hand with everything else .
Its unfortunate what a groups team fees , sponsorship sales ,team meal$, hundreds of volunteer hours, and a monthly County citizen funded check to the coach DOESNT buy you
It is tough, but nobody died, right? So hopefully what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
I was on a basketball team that was 0-11 with only 1 close game and a football team that was 2-8. The football team did flip that record the next year. We all laugh about it now. Of course 100 years ago when I was in school, it cost a LOT less than HS sports do now.
Time heals... Hopefully their summer teams are better. |
| RobDa |
Posted - 05/04/2013 : 10:51:17
Thanks to all who pitched in on this thread
the season is over the coach is gone tho he announced it to the boys at midseason he wouldnt be back : no one can figure out the mastery of motivation that was supposed to be. but it was hand in hand with everything else .
Its unfortunate what a groups team fees , sponsorship sales ,team meal$, hundreds of volunteer hours, and a monthly County citizen funded check to the coach DOESNT buy you |
| AllStar |
Posted - 04/21/2013 : 13:52:47
Pick your region and classification and you can see the standings and records. The team in question is having a bad year, but they're not alone. 
http://ga.prepcountry.com/?t=30&v=7&wy=2013&s=21&class=6Žion=5&tm=1&w=1 |
| nfbaseball |
Posted - 04/18/2013 : 15:20:42
That is their first win in region. Glad to see that, they needed the confidence. They have a had a few close games |
| 2playersmom |
Posted - 04/18/2013 : 10:01:50
What is their to-date region record ??
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Originally posted by nfbaseball
That team with no wins earlier this season got a win in region last night.
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| nfbaseball |
Posted - 04/18/2013 : 08:51:04
That team with no wins earlier this season got a win in region last night. |
| Tribe |
Posted - 04/07/2013 : 10:08:28
A kid is more likely to be discovered during summer ball.
If a college scout/coach makes a trip to see a kid during high school season, that indicates significant interest. Those guys have very limited travel opportunities during their season.
Regarding pro scouts....we've had as many as 10-12 at our HS games this season...because we have a potential 1st rounder...they wouldn't be there otherwise. |
| bballman |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 15:24:21
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Originally posted by tommynole99
Thats odd because I know a saw at least 6 college scouts watching that left-handed pitcher from Johns Creek
The only time there would be that many college coaches there were if the kid didn't commit to a school yet. During the time my son was in HS, we saw VERY few college coaches attend. A couple of times saw a bunch of pro scouts. When there was a potential draft pick guy out there, there would definitely be more pros than colleges.
Are you sure those weren't pro scouts there to see the Johns Creek kid? That's what I heard. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 15:16:07
Don't confuse scouting with recruiting. In Crownover's case, the "scouts" weren't there to see him. They were there for him to see them. Trying to show him the love to convince him that they loved him more than the other guy. He was PG ranked #7 left hander in the nation. Do you really think someone had to make a trip to Ringgold to take a look?
I'm not saying that you won't see scouts at high school games. I've already seen a couple this year at my son's high school. But, compare that to what you'll see in the stands at the PG games this summer and you'll realize that it doesn't even compare.
Unless your kid is a slam dunk D1 being recruited by multiple schools, don't delude yourself hoping he'll be seen by a scout at one of his high school games. Those guys don't cold call hoping to find someone. They're at a HS game to see a specific person and aren't likely to be "surprised" by any other kid there. If you want your kid to be seen by scouts and recruited, unless he's the slam dunk previously described (if you have to ask whether or not he is.....he isn't), then get him on the showcase/summer circuit or start reaching out to college coaches yourself. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 13:00:31
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Originally posted by TheNatural
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Originally posted by coachdan06
Really the college or pro scouts dont care bout high school games and teams so not cracking the linup wont affect anything there
What? College and Pro Scouts don't care about high school games?
You mean wins and loses not players I hope? I know many pro scouts that attend hs games.
Don't kid yourself. 99% of scouting is being done on the showcase tournament/PG circuit. If you're a college scout and you can travel to and attend a high school game with the hope of seeing 1 or 2 players you may have an interest in, and you'll see one game of which they may have a few opportunities to show themselves during the game, vs. subpar competition, OR you can attend a PG showcase where you'll see a couple of hundred D1/Pro skilled prospects competing against each other, where are you going to get the most bang for your time and dollar.
You'll hear high school coaches telling you the same. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 12:04:23
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Originally posted by tommynole99
Thats odd because I know a saw at least 6 college scouts watching that left-handed pitcher from Johns Creek
There was a pitcher I think for Ringgold last year that scouts were following. There would be a bunch at the games he started, then they would book when he went out of the game. Probably the same thing happens with this player.
Do you know if there were any pro scouts? Probably yes, if he's that good. |
| TheNatural |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 11:28:50
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Originally posted by coachdan06
Really the college or pro scouts dont care bout high school games and teams so not cracking the linup wont affect anything there
What? College and Pro Scouts don't care about high school games?
You mean wins and loses not players I hope? I know many pro scouts that attend hs games. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 10:47:47
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Originally posted by bbfan24
How can a player approach his Varsity coach about getting an opportunity to play, without it sounding "selfish" in the coaches eyes?
Absolutely. A player should approach the coach, in private and not before or after a game, and ask what he needs to work on as a player to improve to increase playing time or their opportunity to get into games. Don't just ask "why am I not playing" or "why is johnny playing more than I am". Approach it from the perspective that the player assumes the reason he's not playing is because someone better than him is and he's seeking to understand what deficiencies he has as a player that need to be improved upon, regardless of how you or the player perceive the reason to be.
This shows initiative, a desire to improve and a desire to play. It does it in a non-accusatory manner.
Then, whether you agree with the coaches assessment or not, make an effort to show that you're working on the areas noted.
And, by the way, nothing wrong with being selfish so long as it's to help the TEAM improve. I think that every player who feels he can contribute "selfishly" wants that opportunity. |
| tommynole99 |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 09:24:59
Thats odd because I know a saw at least 6 college scouts watching that left-handed pitcher from Johns Creek |
| bbfan24 |
Posted - 04/05/2013 : 08:52:19
How can a player approach his Varsity coach about getting an opportunity to play, without it sounding "selfish" in the coaches eyes? |
| Topscout |
Posted - 04/03/2013 : 13:39:48
If a high school team is losing consistently, that means they are not playing good ball, and the parents of the kids that are sitting will think that their kids can play better. On the other end of the spectrum, if a team is winning consistently, there will probably be a couple of parents who will think that their kid isn't getting a good look for the colleges because they can't crack the lineup.
I will be interested to see if Centennial can win any region games. |
| bballman |
Posted - 04/02/2013 : 23:03:17
BTW, that winless team has won 2 of their last 3 Monday and Tuesday. Not sure they will win many more, but I'm happy they didn't go 0fer on the year!!! |
| seminole tony |
Posted - 04/02/2013 : 22:17:38
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Originally posted by seminole tony
Great comments all over on different things.
This subject has gotten kind of weird though???
500 hitter riding the bench?? Varsity only correct? How many at bats? Most high school teams have played 15-17 games x lets say 3 AB per= 45 AB. This player is still a 500 hitter? We're not talking about a kid who's been in less than 20 AB's this season. What was the competition that he played against? Did he get those lofty stats during non-region warm up games?
Is he getting on base then doing something stupid? Picked off? Bad leads? Not picking up signs?
Problem child? Error prone? "BAD PARENTS" who discuss lack of playing time with the coach?
On the subject of MaxPrep. MaxPrep just relays what someone puts in. Might not be true. Might not show true evaluation of kids ability. A "sales tool".
Topic was High School team going winless. Each team has different problems. Some times you just don't have the talent to field a Varsity team. But they do. Those become the learning years. Write it off as a building year and work on fundamentals.
I tell my son to do his best. Work on things he needs to get better at and the final score don't matter. Be a leader in the lean times and stay positive.
High school ball is only to stay in shape for travel/showcase ball anyway.
Cream always rises to the top. Period
I do have a side note...If your child is not getting it done. Stop complaining and help. Throw extra batting practice for the team(and your kid). Pass on some of that "Head Coach Experience" we all think we have to our kids with situational "what do you do" if the balls hit to you scenarios. I don't think it could hurt.
We (believe it or not)play ping pong at night to work on eye/hand coordination and hand speed after dinner and home work. Plus we get to talk man to man -father to son. Great moments I'll cherish as much as his baseball games.
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| in_the_know |
Posted - 04/02/2013 : 13:14:08
Great posts by both bballman and Jacjacatk in response to baseballcrazymom.
One other HUGE factor not to be overlooked is what are the upcoming positional needs on varsity. You may see a kid or two playing out of position on JV/Freshman so they can get AB's, with the varsity coach knowing full well that he'll need that player's primary position filled in the next season or two. If it were all about winning at the JV level, then you'd see rosters more loaded with Jr's and Sr's. Unless it's a rehab assignment for a varsity level player, filling those valuable reps with upperclassmen does nothing to help the program 1-2 years down the road.
This becomes a very big determinant of where players may find themselves in college. If a coach has 6 outfielders covering the next three seasons on his college roster, your kid may very well be top 5 in his position in the state and not get a look from the college of his choice. It's all about need by position, and that reality begins setting in with some of the high school decisions and development you'll see being made.
Also, don't overlook the fact that the coaches see every practice and BP the players take. There is far more revealed during those opportunities which may lead you to be shaking your head in the stands. You're only seeing about 20% of what coaches are seeing. |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 04/02/2013 : 12:43:03
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Originally posted by baseballcrazymom
I've been reading this topic with interest. I want to switch up the scenario a bit and then ask a question or three.
Underclass team (either 9th grade or JV - NOT VARSITY) who is winning the majority of their games, but not all, and some very handily.
It appears that some players are being given some opportunities (actually play, get more plate appearances, actually get their first hit etc.) at the expense of some other players who don't deserve to sit. As stated before, some of these games are won, yet some lost that likely COULD have been won with everybody in the right spot.
When I say don't deserve to sit, I mean they've consistently out performed (numbers don't lie)most everyone else (aside from each other) yet they are on the bench now a LOT of the time.
Fair to those players?
Does this scenario sound like this program is simply developmental in nature?
Signed:
Seriously shaking my head in the stands
IMO, winning at the freshmen/JV level should mostly be the incidental result of playing well and good coaching, not a goal. Those coaches can't really be sure which of the players they have at that age are going to develop or which are going to quit for non-baseball related reasons at some point, so they need to be trying to make sure they get a good look at everyone and that they give game reps to everyone. If they're not going to do that, there's not really much point in bothering to carry the bench players in the first place. |
| bballman |
Posted - 04/02/2013 : 11:14:49
Especially at the freshman and JV level,coaches play players for many reasons. The game usually and shouldn't be all about winning. The coaching staff usually have a strategy based on who they want to develop for the varsity team, which should be all about winning - and not about development. For freshman and JV teams, coaches may see more potential in some kids than others. So just because one kid may have a higher batting average than another, that does not mean that kid should be or will be playing more. The speed of the game at the varsity level is WAY higher than at the JV or freshman level. They may have a kid that they can see playing at that higher level, but maybe they don't see that potential for the kid who is hitting better at the lower level. Could be a lot of things. Running speed, arm strength, power, etc...
Also keep in mind that all batting averages and ERA's are not equal. You have to look at who a particular player has played against. One kid may have a .500 batting average, but he only played non region games against sub-par teams. The kid with the .350 batting average may have played only region games against the stud pitchers for the opposition. Same with pitchers. If a pitcher is only pitching against sub-par teams that the coach doesn't think he needs his studs to pitch against, he may have a lower ERA than his pitchers who are only pitching against the toughest competition. Many times people don't take this into account, but believe me, coaches do. And this goes for any level team - freshman, JV or varsity. |
| baseballcrazymom |
Posted - 04/02/2013 : 09:27:47
I've been reading this topic with interest. I want to switch up the scenario a bit and then ask a question or three.
Underclass team (either 9th grade or JV - NOT VARSITY) who is winning the majority of their games, but not all, and some very handily.
It appears that some players are being given some opportunities (actually play, get more plate appearances, actually get their first hit etc.) at the expense of some other players who don't deserve to sit. As stated before, some of these games are won, yet some lost that likely COULD have been won with everybody in the right spot.
When I say don't deserve to sit, I mean they've consistently out performed (numbers don't lie)most everyone else (aside from each other) yet they are on the bench now a LOT of the time.
Fair to those players?
Does this scenario sound like this program is simply developmental in nature?
Signed:
Seriously shaking my head in the stands |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 04/01/2013 : 21:08:13
There are 9 GA kids in class 4A/5A/6A at .500 or above in MaxPreps (which is fairly notorious for having hitter-friendly data with regards to hit/error). 33, if you're willing to take any division MaxPreps covers (which includes all kinds of tiny schools) for which there is data. In 6A, there are 2, of the 71 who qualify for the leaderboard (minimum 12 AB right now). |
| AllStar |
Posted - 04/01/2013 : 20:50:55
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Originally posted by RGA
Not trying to be a pain but do you guys realize how few players actually hit .500? Yet all I'm hearing .500 hitters are sitting the bench all over the place. Sorry guys I just can't buy it no matter how good or how bad your high school coach may be.
If a kid is that good and a high school coach is that ignorant, why play high school ball at all. Just play super competitive travel and showcases after high school ball is over. If he's that good he will be found. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it and he probably ain't gonna hit .500 there either.
I'm out.
Just checked the paper. 4 kids in Cobb County over .500. So-either coaches all over the county are sitting .500+ hitters or they're all in the other counties. |
| RGA |
Posted - 04/01/2013 : 18:49:27
Not trying to be a pain but do you guys realize how few players actually hit .500? Yet all I'm hearing .500 hitters are sitting the bench all over the place. Sorry guys I just can't buy it no matter how good or how bad your high school coach may be.
If a kid is that good and a high school coach is that ignorant, why play high school ball at all. Just play super competitive travel and showcases after high school ball is over. If he's that good he will be found. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it and he probably ain't gonna hit .500 there either.
I'm out. |
