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| coachdan06 |
Posted - 02/19/2013 : 01:06:56
so what hapens at 18 when the players grad from school ?
do they stay with travel ball or get on with college life or just life and jobs ?
and i want to say dont the teams lining up for this summer look like combo of 17 and unders and 18 and unders ?
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| bballman |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 11:07:36
in the know, what you say is true. However, to clarify even more - A kid who is recruited and offered a spot without baseball money is generally referred to as a "preferred walk-on". Because of the low amount of baseball money available, all coaches will go after some kids who are high academic kids and work with them to help them get a good amount of academic money so they don't have to spend their baseball money on them. These kids are no less valuable to the team than a kid with baseball money. In fact coaches need them to fill out their roster at the DI level since they are only allowed 27 baseball scholarship players.
The "true" walk on is a kid who may not have gotten an invite from the coach to be on the team. This may be a kid that has talked to the coach ahead of time and the coach says "we don't have any money left, but you can come to the tryouts in the fall". Or it could be the player who just shows up and wants to try out in the fall. It is very hard for these players to make the team.
Just wanted to clarify.
Also, just for additional information. DI schools have 11.7 scholarships available. The minimum they can give a player is 25% and they can have up to 27 players with some kind of baseball money. DII schools have 9 scholarships available. There is no minimum and I am not sure if there is a limit to the number of players they can have on scholarship, but I'm sure not everyone gets baseball money. There just isn't enough to go around. DIII schools offer no baseball money at all. JUCO's offer baseball money, but I don't know the rules and I'm sure a lot of it depends on the budget the school has. NAIA schools also offer baseball money, but I don't know the rules there either.
For DI and DII, the number of scholarships mentioned above are the maximum allowed by the NCAA. Many schools are not "fully funded". In other words, they do not offer the full amount of scholarships because they just don't budget for it.
Not trying to steal your deal in the know, everything you said is accurate. Just wanted to clarify a little more. |
| in_the_know |
Posted - 02/28/2013 : 10:01:15
bballman raises an interesting point regarding "walk-on's", and it might help others to understand what that really means in college baseball. A walk-on isn't necessarily a kid who shows up on campus, rolls into the coaches office and asks for a look. What a walk-on really is in college baseball is a player who is getting no scholarship assistance. At the D1 level, a baseball team may have 35 players on their roster. 27 of those players may receive scholarship money. That means that 8 of those players are getting no ATHLETIC scholarship assistance and are considered "walk-on's" on their roster. Typically these players are kids that were recruited along the way, but just happen to fall outside of the talent level or positional need to warrant the coach parting with precious scholarship money. A D1 school has 11.7 baseball scholarships in total that they can distribute across their 27 scholarship players. The additional 8 receive nothing. That said, many will perform well and be provided scholarship money in future years. As seniors graduate, their scholarship money becomes available to new recruits or existing walk-on's as the coach sees fit.
I know it's off topic and I don't intend to hijack the thread, but felt it worth explaining to parents of younger players who haven't been through the recruiting process. Don't expect little Johnny to show up on campus with his cleats and glove and earn a scholarship as a walk-on on day one. If he's recruited and invited to join the roster as one of a school's 8 walk on players, he may be offered scholarship money in future seasons IF he performs.
Another reason the Hope Scholarship is so valuable to colleges. Any scholarship money a player can receive via academics and not have to dip into the athletic scholarship pool allows a coach MUCH more flexibility in recruiting talent (i.e., the kid who's ACT is lower than his ERA). |
| bballman |
Posted - 02/19/2013 : 11:32:10
Many answers to this question.
For those who are not going to play baseball at the next level, I have seen some play that last summer on an 18u team just for fun. When the summer ends, they either just go to school and life goes on, or some may try to walk on at their school of choice while others may play club ball at their school. Very few who try to walk on make the team. Unless they are a pitcher throwing 90+, they will probably not make it. Reason being that the coaches have already recruited a full team. To take that kid on, they will have to cut someone that they recruited. So, you better be WAY better than average to do it. And if you are WAY better than average, you probably would have been recruited in the first place. I have seen some very good ballplayers try to walk on at some DII schools and not make it.
If you are going to play at the next level, I think the answer falls into two categories. Pitchers and Position Players. Most, if not all position players will play over the summer to keep in shape and keep their skills tuned. If they are not playing, it's probably because they are trying to nurse a nagging injury. For pitchers, it just depends. I have seen kids just take the summer off to rest their arms and I have seen kids that just come out once a week to get some mound time in. Either way, both groups will be given a workout schedule from their college coach outlining what they should be doing over the summer. This will include gym time, running and some kind of throwing program.
Like I said, it really all just depends on the kid and their situation.
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