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| Gwinnett |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 11:44:43
Question for the people who have already gone through this. What happens with all the teams that have eight graders on them and there HS has try outs at the end of May and the 9th grade team starts playing June to July 4th? Parkview will have try outs for the 9th grade team as soon as school gets out May 26th and will start playing 30 game summer schedule at the beginning of June till July 4th. They say by participating in this you could get your invite for the JV try out in Feb. if your good enough. I'm guessing this will be true for other schools? If this is true what happens with all the teams with 8th graders on them? Do they stop playing at the end of May? Any comments on what others have done will be very helpful. Thanks. |
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| jongamefan |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 11:15:47
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Originally posted by zwndad
Having a senior and a junior in Gwinnett, here's what I have heard over the past few years. Parkview, Brookwood and Mill Creek all like to have their players play with them through June. I don't know how those schools handle incoming freshmen who are already committed to 14U teams. However, our school and many others invite incoming freshmen to attend workouts and games in the summer when they don't conflict with their previous commitments to their 14U teams.
And yes, the "tryout" at the end of the 8th grade year is called a "camp", and then the coach usually invites who he wants to come play for the summer. Other than giving the coach a chance to get to know the players, it has no bearing on the tryouts in the following January. Once you get into the school year when you son is a freshman, GHSA rules kick in and those tryouts are held in January (usually the last week).
All of this is accurate I can tell ya first hand as A North Gwinnett (area) parent
Also I can tell ya that it most absolutely creates success in these programs . Note I say "programs" and not "Teams" . There is a big difference .
Program builds and grows by design and planning which is what our schools are doing and it has paid off big time . Teams simply take who comes out in Febuary , try to assess who they like and dont like - including personally / politics - and try to survive the upcoming season .
Season ends so does the "coaches" job until Febuary again . This means he is not really a coach just a gymnasium teacher picking up a check to run the baseballteamfor the school .
There is a schoolin Roswell which is surrounded by other schools who are doing fall teams + 2 on 1s + dictated long toss programs etc. Themselves they arent doing a thing because the coach is lazy and in truth he is one of those mock coaches who really is a gym teacher .
Im told lost a lot of players over recent year and more to come . RESULT: tough season upcoming .
SO: when we see these area coaches 'making' the kids go to summer ball they have my familys support and I would like others to consider giving there support too .
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| Gwinnett |
Posted - 11/20/2012 : 08:34:38
Thanks for all your responses. Just want to be ready for that moment. |
| zwndad |
Posted - 11/19/2012 : 15:38:34
Having a senior and a junior in Gwinnett, here's what I have heard over the past few years. Parkview, Brookwood and Mill Creek all like to have their players play with them through June. I don't know how those schools handle incoming freshmen who are already committed to 14U teams. However, our school and many others invite incoming freshmen to attend workouts and games in the summer when they don't conflict with their previous commitments to their 14U teams.
And yes, the "tryout" at the end of the 8th grade year is called a "camp", and then the coach usually invites who he wants to come play for the summer. Other than giving the coach a chance to get to know the players, it has no bearing on the tryouts in the following January. Once you get into the school year when you son is a freshman, GHSA rules kick in and those tryouts are held in January (usually the last week). |
| sailor |
Posted - 11/19/2012 : 11:08:44
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
Question for the people who have already gone through this. What happens with all the teams that have eight graders on them and there HS has try outs at the end of May and the 9th grade team starts playing June to July 4th? Parkview will have try outs for the 9th grade team as soon as school gets out May 26th and will start playing 30 game summer schedule at the beginning of June till July 4th. They say by participating in this you could get your invite for the JV try out in Feb. if your good enough. I'm guessing this will be true for other schools? If this is true what happens with all the teams with 8th graders on them? Do they stop playing at the end of May? Any comments on what others have done will be very helpful. Thanks.
I believe the 9th grade tryout in May is only for the summer 9th grade team and that there's another tryout in January for the regular Spring 9th grade team. Heard this from someone who played on the Parkview 9th grade team this past summer. |
| RACGOFAR |
Posted - 11/15/2012 : 09:55:15
11Ufan, I agree with what you are saying about college coaches/scouting finding the talent. You hear that all the time from HS coaches in clinics and seminars. But that only applies to the top level talent. The next tier of players will have to work hard to be seen because their talent is not necessarily going to draw college coaches to them.
Here's the approximate breakdown of college baseball programs by Division:
D1 - 300
D2 - 240
D3 - 366
NAIA Schools - 215
JUCO - 399
The 50 or so big conference D1 programs and the MLB draft get the lion's share of the top talent. If you are an average HS pitcher (80 mph fastball) with good grades, odds are there is a program out there somewhere that would take you if you are on their radar. I believe that there are a ton of kids who play HS ball that could play somewhere in college. But they don't get seen, or they don't know how to be found, or they missed their chance to be seen because they were playing on their HS summer team instead of in showcase events or the bigger summer tourneys. There's no right or wrong answer on what to do, its just going to depend on the player's talent level and the HS situation.
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| TAZ980002 |
Posted - 11/15/2012 : 07:37:30
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Originally posted by 11UFAN
The private schools have a more flexibility. They are typically single A schools and need all of their best players to play at as high a level as possible since they have to play the "big" schools for their out of conference games.
This means that if you are an 8th grader you can play for the 9th grade or JV team and that all of the "best" players usually play 4 years of Varsity. This is great for the younger kids to get experience on the big field and to play with the older kids.
I agree with RACGOFAR that the competition is typically not as good as Major but one thing I have noticed is that the pitching is usually really good since they only need 2 or 3 starters. This is especially true if you are a in a lower class and plating "up" on JV or Varsity.
I hear what some of you are saying but I can't imagine not playing for your high school team. It's only a dozen games or so for 9th/JV and 25 or so for Varsity. It doesnt really interfer with Travel and there is nothing more fun than playing with for your school with your friends. Most of the 14U-17U travel teams make accomodations for this and if your kid is really good then it shouldn't be a problem.
BTW, who cares if scouts come to HS games or not? The vast majority of kids playing 13U aren't playing past high school and if your kid is truly "elite" the scouts will find you both at high school or showcases. The difference is: If they do come to a high school game, they are coming to watch a specific kid or kids, if they are coming to a showcase their are tons of them and they are looking for both kids theyve heard about and looking for potential diamonds in the rough.
The best thing you can do for your kid's baseball "career after high school" is to make sure he keeps a high GPA. This will do two things. 1) Give him and coaches the most options and 2) when he doesn't get drafted or doesn't get a scholarship (which will be 99% of the kids) he can get into college on the Hope.
Great post !! |
| 11UFAN |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 20:41:22
The private schools have a more flexibility. They are typically single A schools and need all of their best players to play at as high a level as possible since they have to play the "big" schools for their out of conference games.
This means that if you are an 8th grader you can play for the 9th grade or JV team and that all of the "best" players usually play 4 years of Varsity. This is great for the younger kids to get experience on the big field and to play with the older kids.
I agree with RACGOFAR that the competition is typically not as good as Major but one thing I have noticed is that the pitching is usually really good since they only need 2 or 3 starters. This is especially true if you are a in a lower class and plating "up" on JV or Varsity.
I hear what some of you are saying but I can't imagine not playing for your high school team. It's only a dozen games or so for 9th/JV and 25 or so for Varsity. It doesnt really interfer with Travel and there is nothing more fun than playing with for your school with your friends. Most of the 14U-17U travel teams make accomodations for this and if your kid is really good then it shouldn't be a problem.
BTW, who cares if scouts come to HS games or not? The vast majority of kids playing 13U aren't playing past high school and if your kid is truly "elite" the scouts will find you both at high school or showcases. The difference is: If they do come to a high school game, they are coming to watch a specific kid or kids, if they are coming to a showcase their are tons of them and they are looking for both kids theyve heard about and looking for potential diamonds in the rough.
The best thing you can do for your kid's baseball "career after high school" is to make sure he keeps a high GPA. This will do two things. 1) Give him and coaches the most options and 2) when he doesn't get drafted or doesn't get a scholarship (which will be 99% of the kids) he can get into college on the Hope. |
| rippit |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 19:50:04
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Originally posted by bballman
I agree with everything you said Racgofar, except, Parkview is different. It's pretty much mandatory there. I know not technically, but even a kid that was drafted 1st round this spring had to do this and did all through HS there.
Brookwood does it too. But, some have been known to tell the HS coach to stuff it and transfer or just not play for the HS. |
| bballman |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 17:09:03
I agree with everything you said Racgofar, except, Parkview is different. It's pretty much mandatory there. I know not technically, but even a kid that was drafted 1st round this spring had to do this and did all through HS there. |
| RACGOFAR |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 14:29:26
The High schools can't have tryouts per se in May. They have "Camps" for rising 9th graders, usually after Memorial Day and in early June. If they like a player, he may be invited to play on their Summer team.
From what I saw, some of the position players continued playing on both teams. Some of the pitchers tried this and that is not a good idea. Can hurt your chances if you pitch poorly for the HS team after an outing and also risk injury. FWIW, I don't think it matters if a top player plays on the HS summer team or not. The HS coach will put his best players on the field for every Region game so long as their grades are good enough and they don't have an attitude problem.
I watched HS summer ball for four years and frankly the level of competition was not very good. Most of the teams were missing their top players and looked like weak AA or AAA teams. ZERO college coaches and scouts came to these games. A lot of the time the games were in the middle of the weekday and out of town.
I'd say that whether you play on your HS summer team will depend a lot on the talent level of the player, and how insistent the HS coach is on your being committed to playing on a "voluntary" basis. The lower you are on the depth chart, the more likely it is that you need to play on your summer team so the coaches can see you.
The problem is that if you are a top level HS talent with the potential to play at the next levels, you are going to miss opportunities to be seen that you will never get back. These HS summer teams/leagues serve a purpose, but its not a purpose that helps the top players.
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| bballman |
Posted - 11/14/2012 : 12:37:45
This doesn't happen everywhere. Parkview is known for pretty much forcing their players to play HS ball with them in the summer. Those players will usually hook up with a travel team when the school team is done. I know even their stud players do this. One kid that went there and was drafted this past spring in the 1st round - supplemental - even played for the HS summer team. I think you will just have to talk with your summer team and let them know that the HS team takes priority and you will join them full time when the school team is done for the summer. |
