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| gasbag |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 19:12:16
Ok....what are everyone's feelings on fans observing youth baseball players cussing loud enough that fans can hear them....if blue hears this, can they take action ? Should they take action ? Is there an age issue for players, in the umps reacting ?
I attended my sons game about 3-4 years ago at ECB tournament. A player from a visiting team swung and missed on his second strike and proceeded to yell and drop an "F" Bomb. I was absolutely appalled by this as the boys were 11-12 yrs old. I was even more appalled that blue took no action ! I told blue how I felt after the game and then went and registered complaint with ECB officials. |
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| baseballallday |
Posted - 05/08/2012 : 12:00:58
I hate it! Sadly I hear it all the time from players on our team and I think is shows a lack of manners and respect for others. Smaller kids are at these games and don't need to hear it, especially when some of these kids are looking up to these players. I may let the occasional expletive out around other adults but I don't want to hear it from a teenager or an adult while watching them play. |
| neverquit |
Posted - 05/02/2012 : 12:30:30
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Originally posted by HITANDRUN
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Originally posted by bballman
How about if we take care of the problem ourselves, as parents. Why do we have to shift responsibility to everyone else? First of all, I RARELY curse in front of my kids. Almost never while they were younger and growing up. Therefore, they don't curse much, even now that they are 18 & 16. If I heard them curse like that during a game, I would be the one to say something to them. I wouldn't rely on the ump or the coach. That is MY job as a parent. If I hear a parent in the stands cursing in front of the kids, I will say something to them. "Hey pops, there are kids here, don't use that language". Don't think it's the coach's or the umps job to parent our kids. That's just the way I feel about it.
I agree it should start at home, but during a game parents have no business in the dugout, or around the dugout or even making eye contact or communicating with players.
And that is the problem. Todays parent does not know how to parent. The parent that cusses around kids are the problem. Recently, I was at a tournament and saw a great game. The favorite team had to come from behind to win the game in the last inning. A mother (and I use that loosely)from the team that lost busted on the field and started cussing the coaching staff in front of the kids. She had a friend on the other team that came up to her and said that was a good game. This 50+ yr. old mother dropped the F Bomb right in front of everybody and his eleven yr. old. Then started on a terrant of cussing. I complained to the park several days later. They said she is no longer a part of that team or their park. This is how it should be dealt with. Parents be responsible in all areas of life spiritual, physical, and academics. Problem solved. |
| bballman |
Posted - 05/02/2012 : 10:33:57
I'm not saying to deal with your player during the game. After the game, have a talk with the player. Nothing to stop you from saying something to parents in the stands. Of course, this is if you don't want your own son using this kind of language. Of course you can't do anything about other kids using it. The reality is, that there are all kinds of people out there in the world. I have seen parents routinely using foul language in front of their young kids. They don't see anything wrong with it. Those are the kids who will more than likely be using the language on the field. I don't think it is our responsibility to change the world. It's not the umps job to monitor the morality of every kid on the field. Our kids will be exposed to all kinds of things we don't like in life. It's our job as parents to make sure our kids make the right decisions. The umps job is to make calls and maintain order on the field. If behavior gets out of control and part of that behavior involves abusive language, then he should take care of it. If a kid drops an F-bomb on the way back to the dugout, to himself, about what he just did, I don't think it's the umps job to regulate that. I would just talk to my son after the game about controling his temper and not using that language.
I think parents in the stands should watch their mouth. The umps job ends on the field. He's not there to regulate the behavior or language in the stands. If I don't like the language someone is using in the stands, I'll say something. If it gets abusive, let a park or tournament official know and they will take care of it.
I'm just saying in general, we as parents, need to take responsibility. Not always look to regulate how someone else should take care of it. |
| samlev01 |
Posted - 05/02/2012 : 10:24:12
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I agree it should start at home, but during a game parents have no business in the dugout, or around the dugout or even making eye contact or communicating with players.
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I disagree with some of this quote. When my son has a great hit, or a particularly good inning pitching, etc; I will let him know when he comes back to the dugout with a comment but I would never step foot in the dugout itself. Now, I agree with your comment with regards to parents chewing their kids out when they make a mistake, K, etc. This is does nothing but lower a kid's confidence and baseball as we all know is a game of confidence. |
| HITANDRUN |
Posted - 05/02/2012 : 10:02:15
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Originally posted by bballman
How about if we take care of the problem ourselves, as parents. Why do we have to shift responsibility to everyone else? First of all, I RARELY curse in front of my kids. Almost never while they were younger and growing up. Therefore, they don't curse much, even now that they are 18 & 16. If I heard them curse like that during a game, I would be the one to say something to them. I wouldn't rely on the ump or the coach. That is MY job as a parent. If I hear a parent in the stands cursing in front of the kids, I will say something to them. "Hey pops, there are kids here, don't use that language". Don't think it's the coach's or the umps job to parent our kids. That's just the way I feel about it.
I agree it should start at home, but during a game parents have no business in the dugout, or around the dugout or even making eye contact or communicating with players. |
| PerfectGame |
Posted - 05/02/2012 : 04:09:48
I have seen and heard so many reprehensible things on youth baseball fields that nothing surprises me anymore. I am disappointed with what goes on but as long as my son is not part of a team that curses, cheats, shouts "DROP IT" when a fly ball is being caught, shouts at the pitcher, etc... there's not much I can do to control it.
Without a doubt cCoaches AND parents should lead by example.
Unfortunately the world is an imperfect place. There are people who lack morals and decency and sometimes there are good people who make very bad choices. While I would prefer my son not be exposed to "bush league" behavior and poor choices in language he does get to see first hand how utterly ridiculous an individual looks and sounds when making those poor choices.
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| bballman |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 22:20:53
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Originally posted by a1prog
my point was that on the field there can be consequences for poor sportsmanship/behavior. and sometimes those consequences can really sting. as for the younger kids- i have always thought that players will most times reflect the leadership they have- parents and coaches. back to the high school game i mentioned earlier; after the game my wife heard the coach from the other team berate his kids for 10 minutes on how poorly they behaved and the reflection that cast on their team, the program and the school. then, he ran the heck out of 'em before they left.
Agreed, and good for the coach. |
| a1prog |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 21:19:41
my point was that on the field there can be consequences for poor sportsmanship/behavior. and sometimes those consequences can really sting. as for the younger kids- i have always thought that players will most times reflect the leadership they have- parents and coaches. back to the high school game i mentioned earlier; after the game my wife heard the coach from the other team berate his kids for 10 minutes on how poorly they behaved and the reflection that cast on their team, the program and the school. then, he ran the heck out of 'em before they left. |
| bballman |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 15:52:58
With all due respect a1, that is more a situation involving on-field antics getting out of control than a simple use of language by players or fans. I was talking more about language around the 11 or 12 and under crew. I hear the language from players all the time at HS games and no one is ejected for dropping an F-bomb about making an out or something like that. If it's directed at the ump, that's another story.
Of course, by the time you get to HS, the parents aren't using a lot of bad language at the field anymore so, I really haven't seen that to be a problem at the HS varsity level. |
| stepoff |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 15:09:56
Sounds to me like the ump took control of a situation which could have easily gotten out of control by a third person becoming involved. Who knows without being there - maybe in 15 years when he is taking his 8 year old to a local high school game and F-bombs are being dropped, he will understand. |
| a1prog |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 14:59:11
Two weeks ago my son played in a tense and tight game with significant playoff implications. Late in the game we had a collision at home plate between two kids with some negative history. Post collision there was some jawing and another player from the other team got involved and started dropping some F-bombs. Never put a hand on anyone but the ump immediately tossed him. Punishment by ghsa rules is that he sits the next two games- which for that team happen to be senior night and their first playoff contest. |
| bballman |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 11:04:17
How about if we take care of the problem ourselves, as parents. Why do we have to shift responsibility to everyone else? First of all, I RARELY curse in front of my kids. Almost never while they were younger and growing up. Therefore, they don't curse much, even now that they are 18 & 16. If I heard them curse like that during a game, I would be the one to say something to them. I wouldn't rely on the ump or the coach. That is MY job as a parent. If I hear a parent in the stands cursing in front of the kids, I will say something to them. "Hey pops, there are kids here, don't use that language". Don't think it's the coach's or the umps job to parent our kids. That's just the way I feel about it. |
| christheump |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 09:19:57
It depends on the age, the word, and the situation for me. There have been times I have heard it and told the player that "I'll pretend I didnt hear that if you dont do it again" he says sorry and I never have another issue. There have been times when I said something to the coach, and the problem was solved. Then there was one time with an older 13AAA where he was gone from the game no if's, but's, or and's about it becuase of the usage of the F-Bomb, the situation it was used, and who the insult was directed towards. |
| gamefanatic |
Posted - 05/01/2012 : 08:05:15
They are just practicing for when they start to play golf... |
| rippit |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 20:39:06
Well if it's my son, go smack him upside the head! |
| peashooter |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 20:38:46
Good issue. I think it should be corrected and disciplined. Now, don't get me wrong, when I was in baseball we all had mouths like sailors...It was disgusting...It is just part of being with a whole bunch of guys. My wife would visit or I would come home, and she would be like what happened to you. It took a few weeks to detox off of the baseball locker room talk. But even as a pro, you should always be aware there are kids in the stands and you can't drop f-bombs. Story time...tearing up again.
We are playing in Dayton beach in High A with the Expos. Our coach gets throw out of the game, and is walking back towards the dugout. Probably 500 fans at the game... A dad yells to our coach, who during the argument before he got thrown out was dropping f-bombs, "Hey coach nice mouth! Way to talk in front of the kids!" My coach yells back, "Hey you f-bombing little <another horrible curse word>, how about I kick your <another horrible curse word> in front of your kid!". He crossed many lines that day, but I actually felt sick to my stomach when he did that. No disciplinary action on him fyi! |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 04/30/2012 : 20:21:02
My son was 12 when he dropped his first expletive on a call. On the plus side, he did it mostly under his breath so that only I could hear him, on the minus side the ump was the dad of one his teammates (real ump, but it was a scrimmage).
I'm a terrible influence on my kids with regards to swearing, so I'm not especially concerned about them hearing it from other places, but at the same time I don't think it's appropriate from the fans of a youth game under pretty much any circumstances. I kind of understand it from the players when they're essentially yelling at themselves rather than a teammate/opposition/ump (which is what your description sounds like), but I'd expect it to get corrected in short order by the coach/ump. I did see a similar situation at a local HS tryout, and the coach immediately said something to the player, who equally quickly apologized.
Now, once they get to be 13-14+, if they start swearing at other people, ump's should (and I assume, do) start tossing them, and I'd expect coaches to be disciplining them as well. |
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