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| goboys |
Posted - 08/14/2011 : 21:07:37
Just finished our first tryouts for 16U. When do the coaches usually contact players with an offer? Thanks for your help! |
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| in_the_know |
Posted - 08/20/2013 : 10:47:13
Taking a guess here, but I think it's a matter of semantics. Some (not all) players are picked up after the draft if they went undrafted and holes on a team remain to be filled. I agree with your comment that players aren't "Placed" on a team if the team doesn't want the player.
Is that your question?
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Originally posted by loveforthegame25
Ive been around East Cobb now for 6 years. I have never heard of a kid being placed on a team if they are not picked in the draft. Where did that come from??????
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| jbc |
Posted - 08/20/2013 : 00:31:35
Kids are picked up after the draft all the time in 16U, 17U, and 18U; this is especially so for those kids who aren't from the metro area and don't make the draft, but there are plenty of area high schoolers who start with one travel team, then decide they want to try ECB. The draft is long over by that time. |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 08/02/2013 : 16:30:37
Ive been around East Cobb now for 6 years. I have never heard of a kid being placed on a team if they are not picked in the draft. Where did that come from?????? |
| bball2000 |
Posted - 08/01/2013 : 20:36:42
Interesting. Does this still apply in 2013. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 10:40:14
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Originally posted by coachdan06
all interesting fellas i see the sides for everyone but dont understand why you do these auditions right now ?
coupla of your posters say all teams still want pitchers , now dont you think the pitchers are all taken by now if did your auditions weeks ago ?
Not necessarily. One year my last player committed while I was at the Chick Fil A Bowl and he ended up being our #2 pitcher. |
| cop311 |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 10:34:11
Things change everyday. Teams breakup, parents get mad, kids move into town, whatever. Most of the teams who ate looking have enough to play. Just like fishing you throw your line out and hope a prize winner bites. You won't get that if you don't put the line in the water. |
| BREAMKING |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 09:59:37
The odds on the pitcher showing up to put you over the top this late in process is probably not gonna happen. What you need is a pitching tree! When ever you need one just go out and pluck one off. Mine grows lefties |
| Goin Deep |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 09:46:57
All these coaches are hoping to find that unknown.....That diamond in the rough...Good luck quote:
Originally posted by coachdan06
all interesting fellas i see the sides for everyone but dont understand why you do these auditions right now ?
coupla of your posters say all teams still want pitchers , now dont you think the pitchers are all taken by now if did your auditions weeks ago ?
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| reallycoach |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 09:04:16
Two reasons why thy are still looking for players.
1) They are looking for a higher level of talent then was shown at the tryout/clinic.
2) The parents of the players left have a reputation for disrupting teams. By this age they are found out.
There is also the if that kid/parent joins the team we are leaving. I have seen more of this in the least three years. The reason, see number two. |
| coachdan06 |
Posted - 08/30/2011 : 00:57:07
all interesting fellas i see the sides for everyone but dont understand why you do these auditions right now ?
coupla of your posters say all teams still want pitchers , now dont you think the pitchers are all taken by now if did your auditions weeks ago ? |
| AllStar |
Posted - 08/29/2011 : 19:56:01
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Originally posted by dmb350
Well maybe not rec players but just not the players the coaches wanted. The coaches are lookIng for specific things from players at that point and maybe none of them fit the bill. Every coach has an idea of what the team needs and they won't settle for a player that doesnt fit that mold in the Fall. Most will just wait it out.
When I was coaching we often passed on good players for our last two or 3 spots because they didn't pitch. And that was the only reason. Good families, good kids. Maybe even better at their position than the kids we had, maybe not. But we needed pitchers and they didn't pitch. Not saying that's what is going on, but notice how many of the teams are looking for pitchers. |
| dmb350 |
Posted - 08/28/2011 : 22:59:32
Well maybe not rec players but just not the players the coaches wanted. The coaches are lookIng for specific things from players at that point and maybe none of them fit the bill. Every coach has an idea of what the team needs and they won't settle for a player that doesnt fit that mold in the Fall. Most will just wait it out. |
| Goin Deep |
Posted - 08/28/2011 : 18:45:41
I did not miss your point, in fact it is a fair one. However, these coaches are looking for gamechangers, not just bodies. So, absent of that player, they just keep looking. No, they werent ALL rec type, but there were alot of small players, and few gamechangers. quote:
Originally posted by jongamefan
[quote]Originally posted by Goin Deep
"All tryout attendees being taken" has never com out of his mouth....I have seen plenty of kids with NO business being out there. Simply overmatched. This is not rec ball where everyone gets a spot.
DEEP: you missed my point
I am asking why if so many kids showed up at these tryouts how is it all these teams are still looking for players?
They couldnt all have been rec level players
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| Goin Deep |
Posted - 08/27/2011 : 18:32:36
They dont...In fact most are NOT picked.
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by jongamefan
Sons + wife + I had a good talk about ecb for couple weeks before the "tryouts"
We thought it would be 'get in now this fall that weekend or be out of loop' that was the impression given out on this thread
From north central Gwinnett obviously that is a trek to and from , passed on going over part cuz the gasoline was 50% of the tryout
But : look at tryout notices this morning their are 5 or 6 teams still soliciting for players in their 16 and unders + in my opinion their will be additional teams searching quietly
Why is this : after the huge mass of people running over there in a panic that weekend how could their not be enough to cover all the teams and then a few more : policies were mentioned on this thread about the ecb owner insisting all tryout atendees being taken etc
This was my son's first year going to the ECB tryout. He actually enjoyed it. I guess because it was new and he's not jaded/cynical about it. And he was on a baseball diamond. As far as I could tell, he wasn't panicked.
As for why there are teams still looking? IMHO, too many teams. There are several good options at ECB in that age group. There are a number outside of ECB as well. Plus, this is where kids probably start to drop out of travel, or stop pitching and focus on their position(s). Notice everyone is looking for pitching.
If you join an ECB team after the fact, I think you have to pay the $100 even if you didn't go to the tryout, so anyone who skipped the tryouts to save money, didn't.
I thought somebody with experience at ECB said that they don't make teams pick everybody at the tryout.
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| AllStar |
Posted - 08/27/2011 : 14:25:23
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Originally posted by jongamefan
Sons + wife + I had a good talk about ecb for couple weeks before the "tryouts"
We thought it would be 'get in now this fall that weekend or be out of loop' that was the impression given out on this thread
From north central Gwinnett obviously that is a trek to and from , passed on going over part cuz the gasoline was 50% of the tryout
But : look at tryout notices this morning their are 5 or 6 teams still soliciting for players in their 16 and unders + in my opinion their will be additional teams searching quietly
Why is this : after the huge mass of people running over there in a panic that weekend how could their not be enough to cover all the teams and then a few more : policies were mentioned on this thread about the ecb owner insisting all tryout atendees being taken etc
This was my son's first year going to the ECB tryout. He actually enjoyed it. I guess because it was new and he's not jaded/cynical about it. And he was on a baseball diamond. As far as I could tell, he wasn't panicked.
As for why there are teams still looking? IMHO, too many teams. There are several good options at ECB in that age group. There are a number outside of ECB as well. Plus, this is where kids probably start to drop out of travel, or stop pitching and focus on their position(s). Notice everyone is looking for pitching.
If you join an ECB team after the fact, I think you have to pay the $100 even if you didn't go to the tryout, so anyone who skipped the tryouts to save money, didn't.
I thought somebody with experience at ECB said that they don't make teams pick everybody at the tryout.
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| dmb350 |
Posted - 08/27/2011 : 11:20:17
quote:
Originally posted by jongamefan
Sons + wife + I had a good talk about ecb for couple weeks before the "tryouts"
We thought it would be 'get in now this fall that weekend or be out of loop' that was the impression given out on this thread
From north central Gwinnett obviously that is a trek to and from , passed on going over part cuz the gasoline was 50% of the tryout
But : look at tryout notices this morning their are 5 or 6 teams still soliciting for players in their 16 and unders + in my opinion their will be additional teams searching quietly
Why is this : after the huge mass of people running over there in a panic that weekend how could their not be enough to cover all the teams and then a few more : policies were mentioned on this thread about the ecb owner insisting all tryout atendees being taken etc
You must not have read the whole posting because I clearly stated earlier that there is NO policy at ECB regarding teams having to take players. That information was simply incorrect and I used the same example you noted (teams still lookIng for players even though more than enough were at tryouts) as my evidence.
Again, every team except the Astros and Titans (13U and up) are independent contractors at ECB. ECB has no say in who they have on the team. It's not rec ball, it's competitive travel ball and that wouldn't be possible if ECB made teams take lesser players just because they were at the clinic/tryouts. It's a fund raiser thinly masked as a clinic/tryout. If you play at ECB you're gonna pay that $100 no matter what. If you go to the tryouts and get picked you've paid or if you jump on a team early from a "private workout" youre still going to pay but that money DOES NOT guarantee your player an offer from one of the teams.
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| Goin Deep |
Posted - 08/27/2011 : 10:14:10
"All tryout attendees being taken" has never com out of his mouth....I have seen plenty of kids with NO business being out there. Simply overmatched. This is not rec ball where everyone gets a spot. quote:
Originally posted by jongamefan
Sons + wife + I had a good talk about ecb for couple weeks before the "tryouts"
We thought it would be 'get in now this fall that weekend or be out of loop' that was the impression given out on this thread
From north central Gwinnett obviously that is a trek to and from , passed on going over part cuz the gasoline was 50% of the tryout
But : look at tryout notices this morning their are 5 or 6 teams still soliciting for players in their 16 and unders + in my opinion their will be additional teams searching quietly
Why is this : after the huge mass of people running over there in a panic that weekend how could their not be enough to cover all the teams and then a few more : policies were mentioned on this thread about the ecb owner insisting all tryout atendees being taken etc
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| dmb350 |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 19:35:31
Well I would guess that the coach that called was probably waiting on other players to make a decision (happens a lot) and once they passed he went down the "list" looking for other potential candidates. Easier to blame ECB than to tell a player that he wasn't your first choice. Trust me, you've seen it first hand bmartin, if your kid is good enough you'll know pretty quick. The "list" is irrelevant. |
| bmartin1192 |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 13:02:37
I took my son to the ECB tryouts and he was asked back out by the Astros for a 2nd look, they passed but he got picked up by the Titans. We found out the very next day after the Astros passed on him. But then I had 2 friends of mine also take their kids to the tryouts and they just got a call this past Sunday from a coach of one of the 13u teams. Both were picked upo by the same team. The coach told them he had just got the list of kids still available from ECB. Dont know why it would take ECB 2 weeks to give any of their coaches the available list, but I guess it can take that long... |
| AA17Dad |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 09:05:04
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Originally posted by itsaboutbb
Question pertaining to the Tryouts/Clinic/Fundraiser. Is it true about this scenario? You don't pay and you don't go to tryouts/clinic/fundraiser, but after tryouts you decide to play, and get a spot on an ECB team and then you have to cough up the $100 for the T/C/F? Have played there before a few years ago and this is what we were told to pay along with the rest of the budget.
Yep we have played on 2 EC teams and have never been to a try-out. But we did have to pay the fee once on the team. |
| reallycoach |
Posted - 08/17/2011 : 08:44:29
One other reason major level kids are left behind. Parents. Some parents creat such a distraction that coaches can not focus on the training. This comes back to haunt players at the 12 + age groups as thier parents behavior is exposed. It's sad for the players, but unfair to the other players to take on a distraction knowing there is going to be an issue. |
| dmb350 |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 22:57:16
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Originally posted by itsaboutbb
Question pertaining to the Tryouts/Clinic/Fundraiser. Is it true about this scenario? You don't pay and you don't go to tryouts/clinic/fundraiser, but after tryouts you decide to play, and get a spot on an ECB team and then you have to cough up the $100 for the T/C/F? Have played there before a few years ago and this is what we were told to pay along with the rest of the budget.
Yep, true. The coach will get a list of all players that didn't pay/attend and the team will get the bill and it will be added to your budget payments or the coach may just have you pay it prior to that. ECB gets that money no matter what. It is separate from the team budget and separate from the player registration cost too. |
| itsaboutbb |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 21:45:34
Question pertaining to the Tryouts/Clinic/Fundraiser. Is it true about this scenario? You don't pay and you don't go to tryouts/clinic/fundraiser, but after tryouts you decide to play, and get a spot on an ECB team and then you have to cough up the $100 for the T/C/F? Have played there before a few years ago and this is what we were told to pay along with the rest of the budget. |
| dmb350 |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 15:53:33
Dr. Oldschool,
I agree completely. I've seen the first scenario play out more than once. Kids who should have been on a top team get passed on then end up with no offers at all. The tryout/clinic is really secondary IMO to getting on a team regardless of which one. Astros, Titans ect… if your kid is good enough he needs to be going the private viewing route to really be seen. Contacting the teams early is key. It is just a fundraiser after all regardless of what they call it. |
| Dr. Old School |
Posted - 08/16/2011 : 15:13:15
DMB,
In a slight variation to this, I have seen two different phenomenon I get concerned about:
1) I have seen "Major" level kids get sandwiched out and not picked by any team. (Not a large # of kids, but have seen this the last couple years.)
This seems to happen when a Major player, who is good enough to play on one of the top teams, is not picked by those teams during the tryout. The lower teams assume they will be picked by one of the top teams and do not recruit them. Once the dust settles these players are left without a team at all. Two things seem to cause this, one is when you have a team from the previous year deciding to not move up. This leaves a whole team of kids looking for another team. The other reason for this, I believe, is a by-product of the second phenomenon.
2) Collective Bargaining between coaches merging teams from the previous year. Two teams with 5-6 players merge into one team, but leave behind an entire team worth of players. While you may have other new teams joining the mix, the late announcement of the merger gives little time for the players being squeezed out to evaluate them.
These phenomenon seem to also cause teams to get shuffled year after year because most of the time you end up with a team of good, instructive coaches, and average talented players, or average instructing coaches with above average talent. |
