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| Mets69 |
Posted - 07/13/2011 : 17:23:56
Just curious as to what people thought about sending their son's stats to the coaches of teams they wish to tryout for (this assumes that your son's stats are worth sending)! I'm talking about sending ONLY your son's stats ... not the rest of the team's stats.
Is this a common practice? Or should it merely be offered up to the coach, and sent upon request? I would think coaches would be interested in seeing this kind of information as part of their evaluation process ... am I wrong? Is this considered tacky? |
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| gamefanatic |
Posted - 07/18/2011 : 17:07:31
Perfect game - going to modify the previous reply just a bit - my son loved to look at his stats - his defensive stats! He wanted to check the assists and put outs and all the other stats that are kept by the technology. He was able to see the improvement on paper. The batting average was good as well, but again, that doesn't give you quality at bats - getting the pitch count up, good at bats, etc. Yes, they can be great learning tools if used correctly. |
| gamefanatic |
Posted - 07/18/2011 : 17:02:21
While we may never be able to get the human factor of scoring hits and errors out of the games, technology sure has made keeping stats fun. IPads are great stat machines. Saw lots of them around the parks this past year. In general I think the more serious the team, no matter what the level, keeps stats. The question becomes, if a team is going strictly by stats, how does one gauge quality at bats? The team player that will make the sac fly to get the 3B runner home? The kid that will make the sac bunt, hit to opposite field at the "risk" of hurting his batting average? These type of things are hard to point to in "just stats." As most of the posters have said, mechanics will always show in tryouts/evaluations regardless of stats. A really hard hit ball to a 2nd baseman that gets through may be an error, but a hard hit ball will make errors happen and a runner gets on - isn't that really the goal? Not high batting average for an individual player but a team win and players getting on base? |
| PerfectGame |
Posted - 07/18/2011 : 15:44:49
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Originally posted by rippit
PerfectGame:
What good will it do for your AA player to publish his AA stats at a high AAA/low Major tryout? None. I guess we have to agree to disagree on that one.
On the other hand, if he's staying AA then his AA stats from last year might mean something except for this little twist: jumping to a bigger field makes a HUGE difference. Throw in a wood or BBCOR or USSSA stamped bat and then the fun REALLY begins.
Relax please.
I think we actually agree ... just stated it differently. I'm definitely relaxed since I have no horse in this race. Just perspective and curious about other perspectives :) |
| rippit |
Posted - 07/18/2011 : 09:13:08
PerfectGame:
What good will it do for your AA player to publish his AA stats at a high AAA/low Major tryout? None. I guess we have to agree to disagree on that one.
On the other hand, if he's staying AA then his AA stats from last year might mean something except for this little twist: jumping to a bigger field makes a HUGE difference. Throw in a wood or BBCOR or USSSA stamped bat and then the fun REALLY begins.
Relax please.
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| coachdan06 |
Posted - 07/18/2011 : 01:15:30
well its a nice introduction of your son i cant see anything wrong with it if you feel the stats are true accurate
but in end the coach will see for himslef whats what on the field. |
| gasbag |
Posted - 07/17/2011 : 10:58:30
Coaches usually remember players they play against from previous season. Best way to tell if a Coach likes your player...he doesn't want to play AGAINST him. Better to have him on his team vs. playing against him on another team. Your sons play during the season is all you really need to focus on along with his sportsmanship and if he respects the game and work ethic.... everything else will fall into place. Also, remember the tryouts are a two way street. Look for chemistry with parents and player to player. Just because your on a team full of studs does not mean you'll have the best team and your son will enjoy the season. What I've found is let your sons game and reputation speak for itself and leave the stats at home. |
| PerfectGame |
Posted - 07/17/2011 : 02:12:29
quote:
Originally posted by rippit
quote:
Originally posted by PerfectGame
What AA teams score "every reached base as a hit"? Just curious why that comment was made. I haven't seen that in AA baseball. Rec & All Stars, yes. But not AA Travel Ball.
Regarding stats it all depends on who is recording the stats. A kid hitting .600 against "major level teams" might be getting a little help from dear old Dad. Until the stats are being recorded by an impartial third party I don't think they hold much water at ANY level. True talent is pretty obvious in most cases.
The comment is actually 2 part, but I wasn't clear on that . First part: Having a high average against AA(or rec, allstar etc.) pitchers is a lot different than a high average against Major pitchers. Second part: Slamming the bad scorekeeper and just agreeing that stats all depend on the score keeper.
This past spring our team was blessed to have a dad who volunteered to keep score who did a fantastic job. If anything was ever a question, he asked around as to how others saw it. That kind of person is hard to find!
Disagree. No matter the level if a player is doing well at that level, he's doing well at his level. Period. Of course, a AA player who does well at AA will probably not do as well facing AAA or Major - at least not right away. Gotta compare apples to apples. ;)
If the stats are not properly recorded they are useless, at any level. Someone else mentioned that some teams don't track errors? That's a shame. A well kept book is a helpful tool not only for the coach but also for the player. I'm a fan of stats and cringe when they are not properly recorded.
So my opinion on the original question is no, I don't think sending stats is necessary or helpful for youth travel baseball (no matter what level). I agree a good coach can spot talent and doesn't need stats. |
| HITANDRUN |
Posted - 07/15/2011 : 08:36:28
I agree with others here, most coaches don't care. They will tryout the players and time the runners. Stop watch wont lie, Power will be evident in BP. Arm Strength in fielding. Footwork in fielding. The only issues are how is the kid under pressure, in game situations, when he fails, and of course how are the parents. Will they cause problems, will they always be late with payments. Will they be part of the team or a problem. |
| a1prog |
Posted - 07/14/2011 : 21:57:42
From someone who has been there done that- the answer here is No. Coaches, if they truly know how to evaluate baseball talent, will be able to see for themselves in a tryout what a kid can and cannot do. As you get older you will see that HS, Summer, College coaches care zip about stats. They come and look at a kid (5 tools plus attitude plus pitching) and if they think he can play then it doesnt matter. Sorry if this seems blunt but its the way it is. |
| rippit |
Posted - 07/14/2011 : 16:39:10
quote:
Originally posted by PerfectGame
What AA teams score "every reached base as a hit"? Just curious why that comment was made. I haven't seen that in AA baseball. Rec & All Stars, yes. But not AA Travel Ball.
Regarding stats it all depends on who is recording the stats. A kid hitting .600 against "major level teams" might be getting a little help from dear old Dad. Until the stats are being recorded by an impartial third party I don't think they hold much water at ANY level. True talent is pretty obvious in most cases.
The comment is actually 2 part, but I wasn't clear on that. First part: Having a high average against AA(or rec, allstar etc.) pitchers is a lot different than a high average against Major pitchers. Second part: Slamming the bad scorekeeper and just agreeing that stats all depend on the score keeper.
This past spring our team was blessed to have a dad who volunteered to keep score who did a fantastic job. If anything was ever a question, he asked around as to how others saw it. That kind of person is hard to find! |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 07/14/2011 : 15:54:36
quote:
Originally posted by PerfectGame
What AA teams score "every reached base as a hit"? Just curious why that comment was made. I haven't seen that in AA baseball. Rec & All Stars, yes. But not AA Travel Ball.
I've seen AA teams where errors basically didn't exist. And there are plenty of scorers who routinely mis-credit errors and especially fielder's choices. |
| Fundamental_Coach |
Posted - 07/14/2011 : 14:36:39
quote:
Originally posted by rippit
I guess if your kid is hitting .600 while playing only against major level teams...then that's pretty cool.
Kid hitting .600 against Rec/Allstar/A/AA teams with a scorekeeper who scores every reached based as a hit??? Different story.
What about fielding percentage, K-ratio, and first strike percentage (just to name a few)? Oh there is so much to consider.
I agree. It also depends on age too! There are kids out there in every age group who can drive the ball, but drive a ball at them and it's a different story. I look for kids who have learned sound fundamental skills, on both sides of the ball. If not, they must just be a pure athlete with that glimmer in their eye.
Really though, in less that 15 minutes, a good coach will know if a player can play. Stats don't show you much IMHO
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| ramman999 |
Posted - 07/14/2011 : 14:18:55
I do believe that is a bit much.. Like previously said, I think offensive and defensive stats are hardly impartial, so you are better off letting his ability speak for it.
I'd only bring it up if asked, and even then... Probably wouldn't recite stats...
When people ask me about my son, I usually say "he's a typical 2 spot hitter, bunts well, hits for good average with some pop, good speed, good eye at the plate" - sounds much better than "he batted .442 with an OB% of .547 and 15 doubles, 3 triples, 7K's 18 BB's, and 50 steals."
Same goes for pitching or fielding.. I'd rather he go out and re-enforce what I've said than live up to the numbers I recited.
You hand over stats, you become "that" parent - the one that will come to the coach 2 tournaments in complaining about batting orders,pitching rotation etc. Just my opinion... |
| PerfectGame |
Posted - 07/14/2011 : 12:20:44
What AA teams score "every reached base as a hit"? Just curious why that comment was made. I haven't seen that in AA baseball. Rec & All Stars, yes. But not AA Travel Ball.
Regarding stats it all depends on who is recording the stats. A kid hitting .600 against "major level teams" might be getting a little help from dear old Dad. Until the stats are being recorded by an impartial third party I don't think they hold much water at ANY level. True talent is pretty obvious in most cases. |
| gabulldogs |
Posted - 07/13/2011 : 22:07:52
I actually know of a father that makes his son pass out a resume in a folder to the coaches during tryouts with his stats. Guess that would not be too bad, but when you see that the one doing the stats (the dad) doesn't know what an error or a hit is you can see why those stats were so good. Being a coach, I feel that as stated before, if you have a coach worth his salt he will see the ability whether or not the kid has a good tryout or not. I just wish the parents could have some stats on how they were from previous teams. Now that would be gold, but thats a whole nother topic. |
| rippit |
Posted - 07/13/2011 : 20:04:49
I guess if your kid is hitting .600 while playing only against major level teams...then that's pretty cool.
Kid hitting .600 against Rec/Allstar/A/AA teams with a scorekeeper who scores every reached based as a hit??? Different story.
What about fielding percentage, K-ratio, and first strike percentage (just to name a few)? Oh there is so much to consider.
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| cubs12 |
Posted - 07/13/2011 : 19:54:05
No need, if he's good, it will show in try-outs. |
| jacjacatk |
Posted - 07/13/2011 : 18:18:51
Given what passes for a hit with some scorekeepers, I'd imagine an individual player's stats have little meaning without the context of the rest of the players on the same team and their opponents overall line, at least. And that's assuming the coaches pay any attention to and/or understand the stats. That's said even though I've posted my son's slash line on here when looking for a team (and it apparently underwhelmed the people who saw it, though I know how legit it was since I scored it). |
