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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 20:55:27
We have had SEVERAL umpires this season take a very long time to call a strike. Catcher catches the pitch, sticks it, is ready to throw it back and the arm goes up. I mean consistent throughout the game. In my opinion this is not how a pitch is supposed to be called. Have you all experienced this and what are your thoughts???? |
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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 03/31/2011 : 21:08:33
NG, not beating a dead horse, but 4 seconds........ 1....2....3....4 thats an eternity. but im done with this topic. |
| northgwinnet |
Posted - 03/31/2011 : 11:29:48
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Originally posted by loveforthegame25
West Coast, are you saying 4 seconds to call a pitch is acceptable? You cant be serious. 2 seconds is too long. A pop time to second base is 2 seconds. Please tell me im reading that wrong.........
In defense of WestCoast, what seems like 2-4 seconds after a pitch comes in, is really about a solid 1 second, which can seem like an eternity to those waiting for the call. 1 second is enough time to see it, replay it, and call it. But that slow, 1-second timing, must done on every pitch, whether it is close or not. This is because of the other things that can happen during the pitch (check swing, interference, did it hit the batter, etc.). |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 03/30/2011 : 18:09:00
West Coast, are you saying 4 seconds to call a pitch is acceptable? You cant be serious. 2 seconds is too long. A pop time to second base is 2 seconds. Please tell me im reading that wrong......... |
| christheump |
Posted - 03/29/2011 : 10:47:29
I will admit my timing was off on some of the strikes I called on Saturday. Close pitches and my brain demanded that extra second or two to decide ball or strike. The coaches didnt care, but the parents sure did. But overall I was happy with my calls, as all the pitchers were hitting their marks on the outside pitches and both sides were getting them and the batters knew to adjust. |
| northgwinnet |
Posted - 03/29/2011 : 10:12:23
Indeed, some days timing is off. Professional umpires have the entire day to mentally prepare for a game. Timing is a big part of that mental preparation. Amateur umpires have to go to work, feed the kids etc., and then get back there and try to forget about the real world and do the job...or have to crawl out of bed at 6:00 a.m. for a 9:00 a.m. game and get it done. Their effort, as long as there is serious effort, must be applauded. Any umpire with slow, deliberate timing, that is trying his best to stay consistent and get the calls right, especially at the amateur level, should be congratulated. |
| WestCoastGuru |
Posted - 03/29/2011 : 09:41:00
I agree with every bit of the....Pause, Read, React train of thought. As a coach and player(was a catcher most of the time in high school), I can't stand an umpire that's already making a call before the pop of the catchers mitt. There is abvsolutely no reason to rush a call, an acceptable amount of time for a determining call from behind the dish is 2-4 seconds....anybody that has issue with that has either never called or caught a game. Its always easy to point fingers if you've never had experience in those positions!!!
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| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 19:19:40
Been around baseball for 38 years. Umped for 5. I know how long an ump is supposed to take to call a strike. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that when a catcher throws the ball back after sticking it and the arm goes up for a strike that thats waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long. Chris I can agree if there was a verbal prior to the arm going up. I asked my son who was catching and he said no verbal until the arm went up. Paaaaaaause Reaaaaaaaaaaaad React. |
| lownotside |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 17:56:25
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Originally posted by lownotside
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Originally posted by northgwinnet
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Originally posted by loveforthegame25
Im not asking for a call as soon as it hits the glove, even though by that point the ump should know its a strike or a ball, but when the catcher sticks it for a good pause, then starts to throw it back to the pitcher and the arm goes up. Thats waaaaay too long. Just a half second brain confirmation, strike or ball
Waaaaay too long? You'll have to get back there and try it for a few games before you will see that it is not waaaay too long.
I have often over heard umpires in conversation asking their partner after a game if their timing was off or right on. I never really understood what was so difficult about the timing of calling a pitch. My enquiring mind wanted to know so I asked. After an explanation I came to the conclusion that it's not as easy as it looks and I was assured that every umpire strives to have that "big league" timing, but some days it's just "off". . |
| Beisbol |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 17:04:01
FTLOTG...I'm not sure if you've ever umpires or note, but I have for 20 years at every level of youth baseball. I had no desire or time to train for higher levels. I greatly appreciate umpires who take their time to make calls. Sometimes it takes a moment to process the thought, then call it correctly. |
| northgwinnet |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 15:04:43
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Originally posted by loveforthegame25
Im not asking for a call as soon as it hits the glove, even though by that point the ump should know its a strike or a ball, but when the catcher sticks it for a good pause, then starts to throw it back to the pitcher and the arm goes up. Thats waaaaay too long. Just a half second brain confirmation, strike or ball
Waaaaay too long? You'll have to get back there and try it for a few games before you will see that it is not waaaay too long. |
| loveforthegame25 |
Posted - 03/27/2011 : 11:02:34
Im not asking for a call as soon as it hits the glove, even though by that point the ump should know its a strike or a ball, but when the catcher sticks it for a good pause, then starts to throw it back to the pitcher and the arm goes up. Thats waaaaay too long. Just a half second brain confirmation, strike or ball |
| coachtony |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 14:48:41
I agree with what has been said here, as well. Just last night we had an umpire who I felt like was giving up on the pitches too soon. In this case BOTH teams had pitchers that were throwing some sort of breaking balls and the umpire would "give up on the pitch" before he actually saw it cross the plate so as he had already decided it was a ball it would fall in for what the entire field could see was a strike. I went to him between innings and quietly said, "Hey Blue, I know both pitchers on the mound as I have coached them both at some point in their careers and I just wanted to make sure you were not giving up on the breaking balls too soon for both pitchers" and his reply was "I don't think I am but I appreciate the way you approached me" and for the remainder of the game I thought he took more time to make the call, which I appreciated.
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| EastsideBB |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 14:23:43
LFTG I am with you. I was at a JV game last night and this was happening only for strikes. He called balls right away. It was very annoying and people from both sides were questioning the delay. It seems like a full 2 seconds after the pitch that a strike was called. It seemed a little extreme to me. I rarely see this. I would like for the umpire to be more timely and not dictate the flow of the game. |
| northgwinnet |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 10:39:40
If an umpire has had any training whatsoever, he has been taught to "Pause, Read, React" to each pitch, each play. If he's not doing that, then that should be your complaint. |
| christheump |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 08:22:21
It is probably just the style the umpire choses most likely. They teach you to see the play, pause, and call. I would tend to favor this over a ump that sees that it is a fastball right down broadway and starts his call before the ball hits the mit. It could also be the case that the ump verbalized "strike" and just delayed his strike mechanic. |
| stafcoach1 |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 06:56:18
Umpires are instructed to take their time and see every pitch. Alot of different things can happen while the play is still live. For example, how many times lately have you seen a player steal second and the batter take a late swing to disrupt the catcher? If you are too quick on a called ball, you look like a fool. I like the idea of the umpire taking his time and replaying every play and pitch in his mind before deciding on a call. |
