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| itsaboutbb |
Posted - 03/23/2011 : 22:52:58
Has anybody seen UMPS over stepping their bounds. I saw 2 bad ones this past weekend. Worst was UMP called 3rd strike on top of toes and turned to coach and said "That one was for you" I have talked to several people and they had similar experiences. |
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| aginga |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 20:25:24
Very true Spartan4, my son was outside the visitor dugout and heard it all. Said the coach asked the catcher where the pitch was (albeit on two occasions) and the ump went off! Coach got a little hot too...would have made Bobby Cox proud.quote:
Originally posted by Spartan4
We played at EC today and saw a perfect example of an umpire with an EXTREMELY short fuse. In the first inning a coach asked. "was that pitch low"? And the umpire turned to the dugout and SCREAMED!! I was impressed with the coach who stood his ground, this umpire made himself look a little hotheaded and it was extremely uncalled for. After the game was over the crew switched positions and the new ump behind the plate forgot to clean the plate off before the game started.(No big deal...It was nasty out today) And after two consecutive strikes in OUR favor(not complaining) the coach's exact words were, "hey Blue, could you clean off the plate?"....Umpire glances a look then says, "It ain't gonna be like this all game".....I just don't understand the short fuse. If you are unhappy with your job I don't see why you take it out on the coaches?
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| baseballRus |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 18:43:57
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We had a couple examples of how to argue this saturday in 12AAA pool play at the tourney I worked. Coaches came out, I let them have their say, calmly told them I didn't see it that way and told em exactly what I saw, let them tell me I was wrong, told them I didnt think I was, they walked off. No harm no foul and life was good. Play!
Exactly how it should be....if ump explains what he saw, most of the time coaches will agree to disagree.
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| lownotside |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 18:31:18
I do believe if the parents are getting "out of hand" with the judgment call(s) of the umpires, The umpire has the ability to stop the game and ask the coach of the team who's fans are getting out of hand to control his parents and until he does the game will be at a standstill. I have done my fair share of commenting on bad calls either balls and strikes, fairs and fouls safes and outs, but I do think there is a fine line that gets crossed when it starts to get "personal" from the parents. I also think sometimes the stands think they have the best view to make the call however, it should be kept in mind that the best position for making the call is coming from the guy behind the plate watching the pitches come in or the guy out on the field who is right on top of the play at second. They might not get every call right, but I am pretty sure that is what they are out there to do. And yes I agree, it's not a job for those who are overly sensitive and in most cases the guys out there should learn to just go with the flow and remember it's about the kids. |
| mjones9226 |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 17:34:05
A good example of how to handle the arguing situation. It is going to happen, and if an ump handles it this way, and it continues: then the coach winds up looking like a bum. The best way to diffuse a situation is to give that reaction. |
| christheump |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 15:02:41
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Originally posted by Spartan4
We played at EC today and saw a perfect example of an umpire with an EXTREMELY short fuse. In the first inning a coach asked. "was that pitch low"? And the umpire turned to the dugout and SCREAMED!! I was impressed with the coach who stood his ground, this umpire made himself look a little hotheaded and it was extremely uncalled for. After the game was over the crew switched positions and the new ump behind the plate forgot to clean the plate off before the game started.(No big deal...It was nasty out today) And after two consecutive strikes in OUR favor(not complaining) the coach's exact words were, "hey Blue, could you clean off the plate?"....Umpire glances a look then says, "It ain't gonna be like this all game".....I just don't understand the short fuse. If you are unhappy with your job I don't see why you take it out on the coaches?
We had a couple examples of how to argue this saturday in 12AAA pool play at the tourney I worked. Coaches came out, I let them have their say, calmly told them I didn't see it that way and told em exactly what I saw, let them tell me I was wrong, told them I didnt think I was, they walked off. No harm no foul and life was good. Play!
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Originally posted by ddhubbart
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Originally posted by bballman
I stand corrected. Haven't participated in a USSSA event in a few years.
I have only seen this in cases of foul language
Only 2 times I have ever gotten involved with spectators was because both sides really hated each other and as the game(s) progressed in each one of them, both sides kept getting closer and closer to each other behind the HP fence. Some really potent venom was being spewed. Both times, got TD to the field to observe, and I went to the HC's and said "Coaches, I sense there is some bad blood outside these fences and we have 11-12 y/o on the field, and I need both of your help in getting your fans under control because I can only take so much before all heck breaks lose out there." In the 2 examples 3 of the 4 coaches listened...one chose to go sit in the dugout. |
| ddhubbart |
Posted - 03/28/2011 : 12:45:43
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Originally posted by bballman
I stand corrected. Haven't participated in a USSSA event in a few years.
I have only seen this in cases of foul language |
| Spartan4 |
Posted - 03/27/2011 : 21:33:20
We played at EC today and saw a perfect example of an umpire with an EXTREMELY short fuse. In the first inning a coach asked. "was that pitch low"? And the umpire turned to the dugout and SCREAMED!! I was impressed with the coach who stood his ground, this umpire made himself look a little hotheaded and it was extremely uncalled for. After the game was over the crew switched positions and the new ump behind the plate forgot to clean the plate off before the game started.(No big deal...It was nasty out today) And after two consecutive strikes in OUR favor(not complaining) the coach's exact words were, "hey Blue, could you clean off the plate?"....Umpire glances a look then says, "It ain't gonna be like this all game".....I just don't understand the short fuse. If you are unhappy with your job I don't see why you take it out on the coaches? |
| baseballRus |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 23:18:15
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Originally posted by Gwinnett
itsaboutbb, I saw the same thing this last weekend at the SNIT. I'm praying it was because the tournament was soooo big they brought in umps from other areas. It was so bad the umps where throwing fans out because a fan said "that pitch was a foot outside". Most the umps I've seen just ignore or giggle when fans have comments??? It seemed a bit dramatic this weekend. Then when the fan wouldn't leave the ump ejected the coach. The coach said I can't make him leave....lol Mean while everybody was waiting to continue playing the game???? IMO, it was a little extreme.
That's funny....the good ones know how to block out the fans. Its really aggravating when an ump will not even let the coach talk. To me, this signals he can't justify the call. |
| Jacked-up |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 10:55:32
Learn something from ASA Fastpitch...The head ump actually watches his umps call games and takes notes. Then between games reviews what he sees with him/her. All in the effort to make them better!!!
Another note: I see the strike zones very liberal in pool/seed games...Then as you get closer to the Ship, the zone gets tighter,,,Not sure if it is because the better umps are used for semis on up or if they are told to...
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| bballman |
Posted - 03/26/2011 : 10:36:13
I stand corrected. Haven't participated in a USSSA event in a few years. |
| christheump |
Posted - 03/25/2011 : 08:30:51
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Originally posted by bballman
Maybe an ump can correct me, but I don't think an umpire has the authority to throw a fan out of the game. Their authority stops at the fences. He can get the TD to come by and the TD can eject a fan, but the ump can't. That seems pretty out of control to me.
Best thing to do is talk to HC, and then TD, but yes...USSSA rule 11.02
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11.02 Any player, coach, manager, sponsor or spectator whose conduct is unbecoming or abusive shall at a minimum be
reprimanded with a warning. If warranted, the offending party shall be ejected from the game at the discretion of the Umpires
and / or the League / Tournament Director.
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| Spartan4 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 22:56:53
Umpires are getting worse and worse, there is not one single person who came to watch an umpire call a game. They came to watch boys play baseball, and it is tough to just stay quiet when the boys who are working so hard get hosed over and over again!! Like I said in an earlier post, fans/parents/coaches commenting on bad calls is a much a part of the as the occasional bad call itself. If umpires can't take criticism from 25 fans lets hope they don't have aspirations of umpiring at bigger levels when there are 100 or 1000 fans present. HS umpires have to deal with ALOT and for the most part they shake their head and return to the game....I don't know what organization teaches umpires to complain about a grandmother saying, "wow that ball was a foot outside" but whoever thinks that is what should happen needs to stop teaching umpires IMO. |
| bmwac |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 15:42:56
I have to say that we had one PHENOMENAL umpire out in Fayetteville for the SNIT! He called a very fair and balanced game. What went for one went for the other. He also spoke to the kids after each game and gave his encouragement and kudos for a well played game. We also had one very ROTTEN umpire. Strike zone was all over the place, was not consistent with it (at least if the strike zone is wide and tall its easier to take when it goes for both teams), called a play back because he said he wasn't paying attention, even though the field ump saw the whole play....then the kicker, towards the end of the game the batters box had pretty much disappeared into the dirt, he drew a line exactly two inches infront of the edge of home plate and said this was the batters box line. He called our last batter out because he stepped "out of the box". Game time ran out about the same time, and we did end up winning the game so it was a mute point, but it could have just as easily been a bad situation for either team. |
| bballman |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 11:24:01
Maybe an ump can correct me, but I don't think an umpire has the authority to throw a fan out of the game. Their authority stops at the fences. He can get the TD to come by and the TD can eject a fan, but the ump can't. That seems pretty out of control to me. |
| Lefty8 |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 11:23:47
My son played in the super NIT AAA14 year old and our one coach asked if he could get help from the ump behind the mound and the other ump told him NO! My call stands! |
| momshell |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 10:19:14
Yes, and ours was over a rule being broken, not bad strike zone. We did have that, but our boys adjusted. Mine hit a single after he batted it like a golf ball. We had to officially protest the game. |
| Gwinnett |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 09:22:15
itsaboutbb, I saw the same thing this last weekend at the SNIT. I'm praying it was because the tournament was soooo big they brought in umps from other areas. It was so bad the umps where throwing fans out because a fan said "that pitch was a foot outside". Most the umps I've seen just ignore or giggle when fans have comments??? It seemed a bit dramatic this weekend. Then when the fan wouldn't leave the ump ejected the coach. The coach said I can't make him leave....lol Mean while everybody was waiting to continue playing the game???? IMO, it was a little extreme. |
| WestCoastGuru |
Posted - 03/24/2011 : 09:12:44
I will have to give credit for the SNIT umps we had this weekend.....we play in a younger age group and usually we get stuck with sub-par umpiring, but this weekend I have to tip my cap to the crews working Hidden Valley this past weekend. We had two young men that were very friendly, hustled to be in position for every call(even if we feel that they missed a couple of calls), enthusiastic in making calls, and consistent(for the most part) behind the plate. I'm usually one that is very critical of umpiring, and u have to give credit to where credit is due.....Bubba, at least at the younger age groups, the umpiring is improving. |
