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| rippit |
Posted - 01/10/2011 : 20:25:48
Is putting a gun on a pitcher going to make him over throw and hurt his arm? If he's already throwing accurately, won't he naturally throw as hard as he can without some guy having to put a number on it? |
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| bmoser |
Posted - 01/16/2011 : 21:19:40
From the Pocket Radar web site: "The Pocket Radar™ is a Doppler speed radar system". Whew! For a second there I thought I blew 200 bucks. I've never priced one of those blow dryer looking guns, how much do they cost?
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Originally posted by ivpartner
Just make sure you guys understand the ONLY true radar that will actually measure ball speed or bat speed must have a Doppler Radar built into it. Neither the iPhone app OR the app for Blackberry is an accurate radar measuring device. They may be entertaining but i wouldn't use them with my son for training purposes.
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| RACGOFAR |
Posted - 01/16/2011 : 20:09:06
The blackberry app is on the blackberry app world website under the sports and rec. category. How accurate does it really have to be? I could care less how hard my kids throw. If they throw strikes at the knees, speed up the bat, then slow it down, they are effective at any FB speed. These apps are definitely not radar, but if its accurate it will serve the function of showing the differential between the FB and change. I'd rather spend 6 bucks than buy an $800 scout gun for a bunch of 11 yr olds! |
| ivpartner |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 14:39:20
Just make sure you guys understand the ONLY true radar that will actually measure ball speed or bat speed must have a Doppler Radar built into it. Neither the iPhone app OR the app for Blackberry is an accurate radar measuring device. They may be entertaining but i wouldn't use them with my son for training purposes. |
| sward |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 12:01:51
FYI...I have a Stalker Sport for sale under classifieds...http://www.nwgabaseball.org/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12799 |
| rippit |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 11:19:45
@racgofar - where did you get that? |
| Spartan4 |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 10:33:33
I looked at the reviews of the iPhone app...and apparently they are pretty accurate....Supposedly within a couple MPH |
| RACGOFAR |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 09:16:15
Upon further investigation, I found a $6 sports radar app for blackberry. Will purchase and post results. These apps aren't really radar at all. Uses complex algorithms and sound to calculate speed based on what you want to track. |
| rippit |
Posted - 01/13/2011 : 08:42:00
Good one moser!! I need a new phone - guess I'll get the iphone and a $10 radar gun app. I imagine the looks on some parent's faces will be priceless!! That will make it so worthwhile!!
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| coachdan06 |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 22:51:48
[quote]Originally posted by Jacked-up
I have a gun. What amazes me is how many parents want to argue w/ me on the accuracy WHEN it is their kid throwing. I was told I had weak batteries, wrong angle, etc
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| bmoser |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 22:31:38
Geez, I have it all backwards. I have a $10 cell phone and a $200 radar gun when I should have a $200 cell phone with a $10 app 
I wonder if there's an iphone app for shoveling snow? My son saw me shoveling snow yesterday and asked me what I was doing...he had never seen anyone shovel snow before! I told him when I was his age, I used to shovel driveways for cash. He said "if you wanted cash, why didn't you just ask your parents?"
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| RACGOFAR |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 21:03:36
There is a radar gun app for IPhone. $10 or less. Coach friend has it and says it works for all purposes noted here. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 17:26:58
I'm not sure what guns I've matched my pocket radar up with, but there's been at least 3 different makes/models. I think the tan colored one was a Bushnell, but the gray and black ones I don't know what they were.
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| Spartan4 |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 14:58:17
You showed me that thing at the Collins Hill tryout and I couldn't believe it!! I went home and found them online, they are awesome and if I didn't already have one I would get one. Have you compared it to a Stalker gun?? I'm thinking about buying one with 2 other parents....No real reason but we can get a great deal on it. |
| bmoser |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 13:32:58
I have a radar gun that's the size of a smart phone and looks like one too! Everyone thinks I'm reading a text message, or checking my e-mail. Its called "Pocket Radar". Its plus/minus 1 mph from all the other guns I've compared it to. It cost $200 including shipping. |
| Spartan4 |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 11:28:40
Rippit, I only used it when our 10U team was pitching but Kevin told me that it his gun reads faster than a Bushnell. That is really all he said but I know for a fact and I think Jacked-Up told me the same thing that over 75? the Bushnell isn't as accurate either way.?.? I'm not really sure what MPH it was but it was over what any of our boys could throw. |
| coachtony |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 22:03:50
We played a team last year that had a parent with a gun sitting right behind the fence behind the umpire. The parent never used the gun for his teams pitchers but always did for ours. Wonder why? ;)
--T
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| rippit |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 21:03:26
spartan - how old were these guys that Renz was putting a gun on? |
| bballman |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 20:55:01
If you want real accuracy, use a Jugs or Stalker. The Bushnell will, in my experience, read 4-5 mph below a Jugs or Stalker. One of the greatest lessons the kids can learn, is that if you over throw, velocity will suffer. The best velocity comes from good mechanics with the whole body working together. The sooner they understand this, the better off they will be. There will be no way to escape the radar gun once they get to HS and aspire to get to the next level.
BTW, I have a Jugs gun in excellent condition that I used occasionally and really don't use any more. If anyone is interested in buying it from me, PM me. |
| Spartan4 |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 17:15:42
I think many different guns give many different readings...Last year with Signature Park, Coach Renz had a gun that was consistently 4-5MPH faster than the Bushnell I have. I did a little research and different technology gives different readings, pretty simple to understand I guess....We use the gun often, a couple of our boys do throw harder or "overthrow" but the accuracy is usually MUCH worse...Also, we gun after a couple innings to make sure the boys are still pretty close to where they started at...I dunno who else does this but after 60 pitches most boys have a drop off in speed and you can really tell their mechanics are suffering. Not exactly rocket science but we use the gun for that as well. |
| Jacked-up |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 13:38:51
I have a gun. What amazes me is how many parents want to argue w/ me on the accuracy WHEN it is their kid throwing. I was told I had weak batteries, wrong angle, etc....My response is that the gun don't lie and has no reason to either....Once you use one for a while you can determine a kid's speed w/in 1-2 MPH. |
| sgates |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 11:10:44
Ive used one on a regular basis with my team the last several years(now 11u)......my reasoning and all my kids know it, I dont care "how fast they are throwing" as long as its relative to their changeup.....So I actually pay more attention to their changeup speed then their fastball which seems to work well with them over throwing, etc....If Ive got a kid "only throwing 55mph", which may be the 4th "fastest" on my team, but as long as his changeup is 45-48mph, thats what Im concerned with and stress to them. Most of my long time players now dont even ask what their fastball is, they ask what their changeup is first!
Good Luck
Steve Gates
EC Stars 11u |
| baseball1 |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 11:09:55
Difference in speed from fast ball to changeup , given that both are delivered with the same arm motion-speed ,is at every level of the game a huge advantage to the pitcher. Glavine and Pedro Martinez were masters at it....use the gun to support the development of this .. |
| 12uCoach |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 10:39:39
In our experience, we would use the gun and tell the player to just throw. Then we tell them to throw at 85% (don't care if they know what we mean, just repeat the statement) and find that a majority of the players threw just as fast, or faster and with greater accuracy when they had to concentrate on the throw. That is the speed we used in January as the base speed to improve upon for June |
| rippit |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 08:32:30
"difference between the fastball and the change"...
That's valid and something that would have never occurred to me to check. Players need to trust their pitches and know they are working more than just the balls and strikes factor. I guess the batter taking a hack and getting fooled must be such a rush!! |
| beanball |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 07:15:04
If a kid see the gun he will naturally over throw, its human nature. The gun is good about once or twice a year -- and just for a handful of pitches. To put a gun on a kid every time out is a waste of time. First of all it really doesn't matter until he's 15 or 16. If anyone tells you their 12 or 13U player is throwing 75 or 80 just nod and move on. If you want to see 80 go look at the 15's and tell me your 12U is throwing that hard. |
