| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| stevebrewster |
Posted - 12/20/2010 : 17:12:34
My son needs a new bat. What is the best one for an 8 year old?
Last year he had the Easton Stealth Coach Pitch bat until they outlawed it during Dizzy Dean All-Stars.
I like Easton bats. I noticed there is an composite Easton Omen and an aluminum Easton Stealth Speed.
Which is better- aluminum or composite?
Any ideas are appreciated!
Thanks! |
| 25 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Hurricane |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 13:31:32
Why are wooden bats illegal at Cooperstown is it a safety issue? |
| CenterField |
Posted - 03/15/2011 : 13:13:23
quote:
Originally posted by 4bagger
And the fact that it took 45 minutes to resolve the issue is proof that this wasn't as cut and dry as you make it sound. If it was so obvious then why did it take the TD so long to get an answer? And I have NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER with the Astros but it sounds to me like we should all be grateful to them for puling the trigger on this and getting a solid decision out of the powers that be.
The TD should have been able to resolve this in less than 5 minutes. The Astros could have saved their protest $$$ and a lot of time. It doesn't matter what sales reps, marketing guys, coaches, or fans think about the bats. It only matters what the sanctioning body rules state. No umpire is going to allow/disallow a bat based on an email....
Next year will be very interesting. As long as USSSA is the only organization requiring new bats, I dont think it will gain much traction. You will probably see teams avoid USSSA tournaments. I do think that composite bats will become illegal in all age groups in the near future.
|
| Spartan4 |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 23:02:13
Why can golf change clubs and manufacturers quit stop making illegal clubs?? Shouldn't be much more difficult for baseball should it?? All these bat rules are confusing, let them swing the bats or outlaw anything but wood. Independant testing(not sure where I saw this) of the Omen and Combat's Da Bomb showed extremely similar performance. But the Omen(Easton is a sponser of LL) is approved but Combat was not(not an official sponsor).....The new rules won't affect the bat companies that much because one bat will always be looked at as "hot" and everybody will rush to buy it. |
| 4bagger |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 22:42:52
Holy cow, don't kill the messenger! Seems there are TWO people at Worth who got it wrong then. Trena and the one who backed her up when I called them. And the fact that it took 45 minutes to resolve the issue is proof that this wasn't as cut and dry as you make it sound. If it was so obvious then why did it take the TD so long to get an answer? And I have NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER with the Astros but it sounds to me like we should all be grateful to them for puling the trigger on this and getting a solid decision out of the powers that be.
Moot point now anyways as the Worths dent so easily they'l all be thrown away in a month and the new 2012s are out with the qualifying sticker........... :)
|
| bluecup |
Posted - 03/14/2011 : 20:26:22
That's exactly the situation I was hoping to prevent, by getting confirmation from Worth's VP of Bats. He copied Trena, the sales rep, on the email back to me. Apparently the sales rep was just wrong--she must have heard that the 2012 bats were going to have the USSSA stamp (which would make them comply with the 2012 bat rules). The bat performance standard of 1.15 has been in effect for 6 years.
Nothing has changed this year to make ANY specific brand of bat illegal...other than the few coach pitch bats which were ruled illegal last year because they didn't meet the 1.15 standard. See:
http://www.gausssabaseball.com/index.cfm?TPID=215
"For 2011, there will be no change to the performance standard for bats allowed in USSSA play in these age groups. All 2 3/4” and 2 5/8" bats will continue to be allowed in 4U - 14U USSSA sanctioned play
" |
| CenterField |
Posted - 03/13/2011 : 21:17:24
quote:
Originally posted by 4bagger
Worth Sports has verified that the Worth Lithium Prodigy does not meet the 1.15 bpf requirement USSSA now has in its current rule book. Can't use them in USSSA play. Don't know about other organizations.........
Well, I can confirm after this weekend that this statement is NOT true. We were at the the USSSA Blue/Grey tournament in Dalton over the weekend to watch some games. According to the tournament director, the 10U Astros protested the bats of a team they were playing. It delayed pool play by almost 45 minutes while they were researching the issue. One of the parents said afterward that it was the same Worth bats in question. It sounds a little too coincidental to this thread...
BTW, they were rule LEGAL for play. Just about every team that we saw had some of the same bats.
|
| bluecup |
Posted - 03/07/2011 : 08:49:21
Just to clarify the issue, before things get out of hand with coaches trying to get bats disqualified or teams worrying about using the Worth Prodigy, I asked the Vice President of Bats from Worth to comment.
He said (cut/paste from the email):
"The Prodigy bats are legal in USSSA play, period. They have been legal for play for several years and will remain legal in play. They are aluminum design and most of the confusion in the market place right now surrounds composite bats.
Thanks,
Tim Lord
VP of Bats, Jarden Team Sports
Rawlings, Worth, Miken"
The customer service rep was likely referring to the 2012 USSSA Stamp requirement re BPF 1.15 which is new and will be required next year.
The 1.15 requirement isn't new (it's been around for 6 years), just the stamp requirement is new:
"USSSA has had a stated 1.15 BPF Small Barrel (2¨ù¡± barrels) and Big Barrel (2¨ý¡± and 2¨ú¡± barrel bats) baseball bat performance standard in its rule book for 6 years for its sanctioned programs up to and including its 14U program." http://gausssabaseball.com/index.cfm?TPID=215 |
| C. MORTON |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 19:22:39
And it's probably made from the SAME materials as last years bat. |
| bluecup |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 16:49:21
The BPF 1.15 rule isn't new. Look at the 2007 Rules:
http://www.usssabaseball.org/documents/By-LawsRulesMarch6.pdf
[section 8.02E1]
I would seriously doubt that it's been used for all these years, in every tournament, and has never met the BPF standard.
The rep you talked with is likely confused and is referring to the USSSA stamp that will be required for 2012 (see the new rule starting in 2012 re mandating the USSSA stamp on the bat):
http://gausssabaseball.com/index.cfm?TPID=215
I'm sure that the new Prodigy will have that stamp to comply with the 2012 rules.
|
| 4bagger |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 13:44:30
The below is a straight cut and paste from my email exchange with Worth. The only alteration was I removed my name from the "From:" line.
I have kept the original of this email exchange in my coaches book so if any umpire asks, I have it in writing to show him/her.
Remember, it is only this exact Worth bat that I checked and it is only USSSA. Triple Crown equipment rules states that at 13U and below ANY bat is useable.
Feel free to use the bat if you want to chance it, but the USSSA penalty for using an illegal bat is ejection of both the player and the manager for the remainder of the game. MY team is going to stow the bats at USSSA tourneys and use different ones.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
No, this bat does not meet that requirement. The SLP102 (2012) does. It will be hitting stores middle to end of next week.
Trena Hutchins
Lead Customer Service Rep
Worth Sports/Gait-Debeer Lacrosse
From:
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 11:24 PM
To: JTS Worth Customer Service
Subject: Lithium Prodigy BPF
Does the Worth Lithium Prodigy SLLP10 D955 Alloy bat meet the USSSA requirement of a Bat Performance Factor (BPF) of 1.15?
Thank you
|
| C. MORTON |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 08:24:11
The new ones have the USSSA stamp on them.... |
| bluecup |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 08:10:59
4Bagger, are you sure you're not thinking of the worth prodigy coach pitch bats (which did not comply with the 1.15 standard and were banned from play)? I've seen nothing anywhere on the Worth site or the USSSA site that indicates that the standard Worth Prodigy Lithium big barrel bat doesn't meet USSSA specs. To my knowledge, pretty much every team 12U and below has at least one player with that bat.
See here:
http://www.ssaa-kids.com/7baseball
"1 - the only ILLEGAL baseball bats for the 2011 season are the bats specifically designated as coach pitch bats (the $80 Worth and the Easton to name 2). However, the manufacturers have already corrected some of them and so if you find a Worth $80 bat with the USSSA stamp or a 1.15 stamp then it is legal. Supposedly some of those are already on the shelves but I can't verify that yet.
2 - the drop 10 Worth Prodigy IS legal for 2011.
Again, USSSA told me that they are only aware to 2 bats that are illegal for the 2011 season and they are the 2 coach pitch bats discussed above."
|
| christheump |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 01:42:28
quote:
Originally posted by 4bagger
Worth Sports has verified that the Worth Lithium Prodigy does not meet the 1.15 bpf requirement USSSA now has in its current rule book. Can't use them in USSSA play. Don't know about other organizations.........
i have not seen any info on that |
| 4bagger |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 17:44:29
Worth Sports has verified that the Worth Lithium Prodigy does not meet the 1.15 bpf requirement USSSA now has in its current rule book. Can't use them in USSSA play. Don't know about other organizations......... |
| Tigerdad2 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 10:11:54
We have a demarini voodoo that my son and several of his teammates all love. |
| Heater |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 22:24:50
No love for the demarini vexxum? My 10u son loves his, so far. |
| christheump |
Posted - 03/01/2011 : 08:56:56
I have seen more dingers from 10-12 y/o with the Worth Prodigy. I also like the "zing" sound when it connects. |
| ivpartner |
Posted - 12/26/2010 : 10:03:20
There is an award winning device designed with a Doppler Radar to measure Swing Speed. It is called the Swing Speed Radar (SSR) and was developed by a company called Sports Sensors out of Cincinnati http://sportssensors.com/. They also make a Glove Radar for measure ball speed. Terrific! It is affordable and we have used them with our teams and my sons for training bat speed. You underweight and overweight (20%) of your normal bat and swing a program of 10 swings. It REALLY helps improve your players bat speed. It is roughly $90 dollars and you can Google it or go to Webball Store at http://www.webball.com/cms/page1550.cfm. |
| JimShwatz |
Posted - 12/24/2010 : 10:31:24
Go to a PGA golf superstore if nearby. They can determine swing speed with the swing analysis machine. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 12/24/2010 : 00:41:01
Jacked-up,
You can use a radar gun if you have one. |
| Jacked-up |
Posted - 12/23/2010 : 17:03:37
why can't a radar gun be used? |
| bmoser |
Posted - 12/23/2010 : 15:21:06
Warrior was timing our boys swings this time last year, but I dont know what he was using. Maybe he'll chime in. |
| Alter-Ego |
Posted - 12/23/2010 : 13:02:31
There is now are swing speed monitors that you can use. There are a couple different models. Rawlings makes one that clicks into the end cap of their current models. You swing and it tells you the swing speed. I have seen a couple others.
|
| stevebrewster |
Posted - 12/22/2010 : 22:36:55
Is there an accurate way to test your swing velocity? |
| Steel-Will |
Posted - 12/22/2010 : 22:09:11
Anybody have any thoughts as to whether or not the Omen pops better than the Combats (B1, B2, B3, or GEAR)? |
