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| BravesFan |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:32:23
So, there are obviously plenty of "paid coaches" out there but how much are we truly talking about for a paid coach? $10k a year or more?
Also, if a team has a hitting/pitching coach, how much does one of those usually get paid? |
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| caughtstealing |
Posted - 07/18/2010 : 21:50:04
Wonder if you are Micky McMurtry, Dennis Jordan or Danny Pralgo and have a son playing at 14-18 yrs? Wouldn't you want your son to play for one of those guys even though they have a son on the team? If one of those guys, or any well qualified coach with a good track record wants to coach my son's team when he turns 14 and they have a son on the team, AND we dont have to pay them - that is alright with me. However, I will say, I would feel some sense of obligation to pay their travel expense from a team fund. |
| atlbaseball |
Posted - 07/18/2010 : 18:36:44
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Originally posted by biged
Daddy Ball, Buddy Ball, and now "Money Ball". No travel ball model is perfect. If you can find one that has more pros then cons, I suggest you stay with it. Besides, if every travel ball team was perfect the parents would be bored out of their minds because they couldn't talk smack about the coaches, players, and of course, other parents.........
Well said Big ED!!! |
| biged |
Posted - 07/18/2010 : 09:29:27
Daddy Ball, Buddy Ball, and now "Money Ball". No travel ball model is perfect. If you can find one that has more pros then cons, I suggest you stay with it. Besides, if every travel ball team was perfect the parents would be bored out of their minds because they couldn't talk smack about the coaches, players, and of course, other parents......... |
| atlbaseball |
Posted - 07/16/2010 : 21:35:36
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Originally posted by patent pending
This year was the first year we experienced paid coaches at the 13U major level. We had several coaches that were paid and I personally feel that they all need to regroup and find a new way to make money. Bottom line is if they do not have a son on the team , there comitement and dedication to the team is nothing more than some extra cash. This organization had several X pro ballers and 3 teams they all busted up. Problem is when you charge money and get paid people have real expectations and most of this was just a dream these coaches put together to make extra money. There is no development and games aren't managed any better. Advise to a coach who does get paid at this level . Take a course in business and customer service or like for these coaches it will just be a memory.
So you had x pros and your kid got no development? Are you playing at the Major level? Was you son not put at the level you thought he should be at?
"Problem is when you charge money and get paid people have real expectations"----are you expecting to play for free? Curious too how much you paid...was it ridiculous?
"if they do not have a son on the team , there comitement and dedication to the team is nothing more than some extra cash"-----are you only wanting to play for a coach that is also coaching his son? I think you might be in the minority there...most of us are tired of daddy ball.
You also thought the coaches were playing the kids that took private lessons more than those like you that went elsewhere? |
| patent pending |
Posted - 07/16/2010 : 10:57:02
This year was the first year we experienced paid coaches at the 13U major level. We had several coaches that were paid and I personally feel that they all need to regroup and find a new way to make money. Bottom line is if they do not have a son on the team , there comitement and dedication to the team is nothing more than some extra cash. This organization had several X pro ballers and 3 teams they all busted up. Problem is when you charge money and get paid people have real expectations and most of this was just a dream these coaches put together to make extra money. There is no development and games aren't managed any better. Advise to a coach who does get paid at this level . Take a course in business and customer service or like for these coaches it will just be a memory. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 07/15/2010 : 17:41:18
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Originally posted by Critical Mass
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by Critical Mass
I think our ex-pro coach was paid est $7K for this year at 13U. Not sure if this is at all average or expected.
There are so many variables that would determine if that is a lot or not.
Did he run the tryouts and pick the team?
No, he walked into the team but had general knowlege of the players, positions, skil level.
Did he run winter practices? Put differently, how long did he get paid to coach? $7K from September through July is $700/month. $7K from January through July is over $1K/month.
Probably came on board in late September October, not much activity in the fall, only a few scrimmages and practices.
Did he miss any practices or games? How was that handled?
One tournament was addded that was not originally scheduled and he missed that for a family event (completey understood by the parents who wanted to play more ball)
How did the team handle the cost? That could be as much as 50% of a travel team's budget.
Knew upfront what would be paid, and their portion, were given payment plans or could pay upfront.
Who helped him and were they paid?
Originally supposed to be assited by ex college kid who is looking to coach evntually, that didnt work out so well as that kid ended up gettting engaged..so he had no time and we did not see him. he was to help the pitchers, so we lost a bit of momentum there as far as pitching instruction but another guy filled in for a few (3 or so) indoor/outdoor practices, which we had at least once a week. We had other drafted players visit practicess and help as well ove the season. Two Dads helped out, one coaching 1st and the other managing, tournaments etc. Bottom line is our paid coach called the shots on playing time, pitchers,positions and batting order.
Finally, and most important, did the team and the individual players get better?
Yes, most got better, a few had injuries that affected their performance and participation, we improved baseball IQ, hitting, and played better as the season progressed. Hope this helps.
Excellent! Thanks! I wish I had gotten that kind of response when I asked the same questions a couple of years ago. I just had to kind of wing it.
Doesn't matter to me, I'm in the stands now, but for up and coming "GM's", this is a great start. |
| Critical Mass |
Posted - 07/15/2010 : 16:01:56
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Originally posted by AllStar
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Originally posted by Critical Mass
I think our ex-pro coach was paid est $7K for this year at 13U. Not sure if this is at all average or expected.
There are so many variables that would determine if that is a lot or not.
Did he run the tryouts and pick the team?
No, he walked into the team but had general knowlege of the players, positions, skil level.
Did he run winter practices? Put differently, how long did he get paid to coach? $7K from September through July is $700/month. $7K from January through July is over $1K/month.
Probably came on board in late September October, not much activity in the fall, only a few scrimmages and practices.
Did he miss any practices or games? How was that handled?
One tournament was addded that was not originally scheduled and he missed that for a family event (completey understood by the parents who wanted to play more ball)
How did the team handle the cost? That could be as much as 50% of a travel team's budget.
Knew upfront what would be paid, and their portion, were given payment plans or could pay upfront.
Who helped him and were they paid?
Originally supposed to be assited by ex college kid who is looking to coach evntually, that didnt work out so well as that kid ended up gettting engaged..so he had no time and we did not see him. he was to help the pitchers, so we lost a bit of momentum there as far as pitching instruction but another guy filled in for a few (3 or so) indoor/outdoor practices, which we had at least once a week. We had other drafted players visit practicess and help as well ove the season. Two Dads helped out, one coaching 1st and the other managing, tournaments etc. Bottom line is our paid coach called the shots on playing time, pitchers,positions and batting order.
Finally, and most important, did the team and the individual players get better?
Yes, most got better, a few had injuries that affected their performance and participation, we improved baseball IQ, hitting, and played better as the season progressed. Hope this helps.
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| AllStar |
Posted - 07/14/2010 : 13:31:37
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Originally posted by Critical Mass
I think our ex-pro coach was paid est $7K for this year at 13U. Not sure if this is at all average or expected.
There are so many variables that would determine if that is a lot or not.
Did he run the tryouts and pick the team?
Did he run winter practices? Put differently, how long did he get paid to coach? $7K from September through July is $700/month. $7K from January through July is over $1K/month.
Did he miss any practices or games? How was that handled?
How did the team handle the cost? That could be as much as 50% of a travel team's budget.
Who helped him and were they paid?
Finally, and most important, did the team and the individual players get better? |
| Critical Mass |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 18:02:52
I think our ex-pro coach was paid est $7K for this year at 13U. Not sure if this is at all average or expected. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 15:15:42
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Originally posted by SSBuckeye
I do not believe they will have paid assistants. They plan to fundraise to pay for the head coach.
What age group? Our Cooperstown year was around $20K with no coaches' salaries. Add this expense and you are over $30K.
Best of luck to them. That is going to take a lot of fundraising. We net about $1500 when we run a tournament.
$12-14K and they still aren't getting the dreaded dads off the field?
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| Hillio |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 14:49:37
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14U Paulding County Vipers and their dad coaches are kicking some butt in Orlando.
Good to hear that a PC team is doing well. I didn't even know those guys were down there. To be one of the top 14U teams in the country, PC sure don't get a lot of exposure. I live in south PC, and I rarely read or hear anything about the Vipers. It's mostly all about the Astros, Rays, Roadrunners etc.
Tell all those Dad coaches I said good luck in the rest of the tournament. |
| SSBuckeye |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 12:56:57
I do not believe they will have paid assistants. They plan to fundraise to pay for the head coach. |
| AllStar |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 11:41:08
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Originally posted by SSBuckeye
Have heard from a team that is doing that this coming season that it's in the $12-14k range for a head coach. Not sure about assistants.
Wow. That prompts a ton of questions.
What age group?
Is that going to be his only/primary job?
Will the assistants be paid as well?
How big will the roster be?
How many games will they play? Any out of town trips?
If they get 2 assistants at half the price of the head coach, they will end up at about 125% of our Cooperstown year budget before they buy their first baseball, jersey, cap or enter their first tournament. They are looking at a budget that will probably be double, maybe more, of our most expensive team's budget. Probably in the range of $30,000 at a minimum.
Hope it's worth it. 14U Paulding County Vipers and their dad coaches are kicking some butt in Orlando. |
| SSBuckeye |
Posted - 07/13/2010 : 09:55:43
Have heard from a team that is doing that this coming season that it's in the $12-14k range for a head coach. Not sure about assistants. |
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